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Hopefully no-one comes in here expecting some sort of joke etc.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-nothing-scary-about-a-black-man-in-a-hoodie

I find this all very interesting. In my view as a white male who wears a hoody quite a lot (even to work) the issue is anyone who walks around with a hood up when there is no need to. At the end of the day you walk past people in brilliant sunshine and they've got a hood up; regardless of the colour of their skin (which perhaps you can't see anyway because their hood is up) you wonder why they are trying to hide their face? Why are they walking around looking aggressive?

Yes it may be fashion etc. but at the end of the day if you walked around wearing a cap pulled down tight, or a scarf over your face then people are going to think you may be up to something depending on the rest of your manner. If it's at night, then certainly. Given the yoof fashion for walking around like you've actually got a knife in your pocket and with a mean stare to boot, why is it any surprise that people think you're up to something? :confused:

I'm sure there's evidence to support young black men getting treated poorly yadda yadda.. and I agree with Lammy's sentiment but are we not tempted to just tell all the yoof to put their hood down, pull up their trousers and wipe that aggressive smirk off their face? Amiright? :confused:
 
Is a 'hoodie any different from yester years teddy boy or punk? People will naturally (rightly or wrongly) hold prejudices on people based on how they look, if you choose to shave your head, put piercings in your tongue and nose and have tattoos all over you arms and face you can't expect people to react to you the same way as someone is more conservative in their appearance.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Is a 'hoodie any different from yester years teddy boy or punk? People will naturally (rightly or wrongly) hold prejudices on people based on how they look, if you choose to shave your head, put piercings in your tongue and nose and have tattoos all over you arms and face you can't expect people to react to you the same way as someone is more conservative in their appearance.
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I guess that's kinda what I'm saying, but with more emphasis on the fact that wearing a hoody up does make it look like you're trying to hide your face.

Flip it on it's head, if there's a fashion for young black men to wear their hoodies up, then no wonder they get stopped and searched more often, because to the police it looks like you're trying to hide your face. The police are trained to look for that sort of behaviour.
 
Scam said:
I guess that's kinda what I'm saying, but with more emphasis on the fact that wearing a hoody up does make it look like you're trying to hide your face.

Flip it on it's head, if there's a fashion for young black men to wear their hoodies up, then no wonder they get stopped and searched more often, because to the police it looks like you're trying to hide your face. The police are trained to look for that sort of behaviour.
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Police aren't allowed to stop and search you just for looking a bit mean.
 
Turn it on its head a bit, when I was growing up, there were no cameras, zero, zilch, nada. I must admit that even if I was 100% innocent of everything, I would not like my face on film every 300 yards or so. Even though you could be tracked by clothing etc. between each one.
 
nkata said:
Turn it on its head a bit, when I was growing up, there were no cameras, zero, zilch, nada. I must admit that even if I was 100% innocent of everything, I would not like my face on film every 300 yards or so. Even though you could be tracked by clothing etc. between each one.
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When I was a teenager I'd run from any camera thanks to the scourge of teenage facial fauna. Now there's a CCTV camera or someone with a smartphone looking for a viral vine wherever you go. If my face still looked like the moon I'd be wearing a hoody too!
It's not just the yoof that wear them though.
 
cheesyboy said:
Police aren't allowed to stop and search you just for looking a bit mean.
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"Stop and Search. The police have the power to stop and search you if an officer has reasonable grounds to believe that you have been involved in a crime". If the police had been called to investigate a crime and in that very area saw you trying to avoid their gaze then I'd believe they could, no?
 
Scam said:
Hopefully no-one comes in here expecting some sort of joke etc.
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Well that's me disappointed...

Anyway it is more the item of clothing than the race - if you're walking down an alleyway and a white British guy and a British-Pakistani guy are loitering at the end, in hoodies then you're perhaps also going to be cautious. On the other hand if two black guys, wearing suits, carrying brief cases etc.. are standing there having a chat you're probably not going to think much of it.
 
wolfie138 said:
all my hoods cover the back of my head, not my face, what am i missing? :-/
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That plenty of hoodies cover or partly cover faces from various angles too, that hoodies are popular among criminals for just this reason - obviously going out wearing a balaclava draws too much attention, wearing a hoodie is both fashionable and has utility for people who want to commit crime. can also combine it with say a scarf that can be pulled up to cover the lower part of the face too.
 
dowie said:
Anyway it is more the item of clothing than the race - if you're walking down an alleyway and a white British guy and a British-Pakistani guy are loitering at the end, in hoodies then you're perhaps also going to be cautious. On the other hand if two black guys, wearing suits, carrying brief cases etc.. are standing there having a chat you're probably not going to think much of it.
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And that's my point. Is Lammy trying to make this a race thing when in actual fact it's not? I guess the disproportionate S&S figures disagree with me there, but maybe there's a higher proportion of black yoof that wear hoodies up?
 
Scam said:
And that's my point. Is Lammy trying to make this a race thing when in actual fact it's not? I guess the disproportionate S&S figures disagree with me there, but maybe there's a higher proportion of black yoof that wear hoodies up?
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There are probably a higher portion of black youth out and about on the streets in the high crime rate areas where police might conduct stop and search.

There are also a higher portion of black youth relative to other ethnicities who commit crimes in the first place. Police are perhaps also going to be more likely to search someone they know to be a repeat offender. If some bloke has been arrested several times in possession of drugs or weapons then unfortunately for him he's probably going to be targeted by the police a lot.
 
A week or so ago I went to an out of the way Waitrose with my Wife. I put my jacket's hood up as it was tipping it down outside and I didn't really fancy getting drenched. After taking only one step inside the building, with my hands on the hood to bring it down, the member of staff manning the customer services desk near the front of the store yelled - very loudly - for me to put my hood down. Am I part of the problem? Am I a hoodie now? Where do I hand myself in?
 
I was expecting this to be another Labr@t thread...

I have a general distrust of anyone with their hood up when not really necessary.
 
Zefan said:
After taking only one step inside the building, with my hands on the hood to bring it down, the member of staff manning the customer services desk near the front of the store yelled - very loudly - for me to put my hood down. Am I part of the problem? Am I a hoodie now? Where do I hand myself in?
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I've had a similar issue in an office building in London - one time a colleague and I were off to meet a vendor we were considering using, we were just wearing our regular hoodies/jeans because why bother getting dressed up especially for a meeting when you're the client... we walk into the lobby of the shiny office building - the security guard looks twitchy and the main receptionist just glares at us and then didn't seem to believe us initially when we said we were there for a meeting (both of us were in our 20s a white guy and an asian guy both in dark hoodies). We then gave her the name of the account director who we were there to see and eventually when he arrived to meet us/sign us in her whole attitude changed and she was all smiles.

Granted wearing a hoodie while being a bit older hasn't caused the same sort of reaction and I guess it is far more common these days in tech firms and in some finance companies for staff to be dressed casually.
 
David has a habbit of complianing about sterotypes without acknowledging they exist with good reason.

In London a black person is over 9 times more likely to commit murder than a white person. And I believe that increases even more when you account for murder in public places.

So unfortunatly people will be more scared of a black man in a hoodie compare to any other race for good reason. That inculdes other black people that are most likey to be the victims.

This guy lost count of the number of stabbings he did, but at least he's trying to make up for it. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47211971

If you see a chinese/Japanese in a hoodie your pretty much safe by the way. :D
 
Anxiety levels going through the roof with the youth, probably due to being able to hide in their rooms without much if any face to face social interaction. There are more and more kids thinking they are hiding themselves by wearing hoodies. What you cant explain to them is that they actually make themselves stand out like a sore thumb, quite the opposite to what they think they are doing.
 
Scam said:
I guess that's kinda what I'm saying, but with more emphasis on the fact that wearing a hoody up does make it look like you're trying to hide your face.

Flip it on it's head, if there's a fashion for young black men to wear their hoodies up, then no wonder they get stopped and searched more often, because to the police it looks like you're trying to hide your face. The police are trained to look for that sort of behaviour.
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I'm don't think its a black thing to wear a hoodie up plenty of white people do it so to me itsi just a general fashion trend, nothing to do with race. Young black men will get stop and searched regardless of whether their wearing a hoodie or not.
 
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