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Martini1991 · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:19

4K8KW10 said:
Chiplets and Crossfire

That's not what I'd consider pushing it.
There's a limited edition Vega 64 in the B-Grade section for 300 pound. I could buy it to crossfire with my same Vega 64 but there's not a chance in hell I'd touch a Vega 64 crossfire with a barge pole.

I'd want a single GPU that's twice as powerful as my Vega 64.

And even then, that's going to come in at an expensive price, so it's not really going to push it in terms of appeal.

Mercutio · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:20

Martini1991 said:
How can they push 4K? It needs absolute insane levels of performance.

I use my Vega 64 at 4K but I'd kill for double performance.

I've just made the jump to 120hz 4k. Zen 2 is about my last big upgrade before (probable) fatherhood. Getting them all in now

Vince · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:21

Martini1991 said:
I don't know why they wouldn't release the CPU's then.
AMD have done staggered launches before.

Clearly they don't want to repeat radeon VII mistakes. Launch day reviews will stick with radeon VII forever, even though we know now it's a much better card than people probably think yet it will always, in most peoples eyes, only ever be as good as those reviews. To show Zen 2 in it's absolute best light it needs everything intel has and more, pci-e 4 needs to be there, thunderbolt, insane memory frequencies, it all needs to be there and it needs to be working. This thing needs to come out of the gate and be everything everybody is expecting it to be. Ask yourself this, if you made a revolutionary product that you know to show in the best light needed a little time, would you execute anyway? Live with those bad reviews but know it will get faster in a few months or would you wait, get the chipset ready and show your very strongest hand?

To me this is where the scales start to tip. AMD need a clear winner, something that beats everything from the competition in every single metric both price and performance, a product that they can stand on stage and say "come at me", something that gives the consumer absolutely no reason to invest in the competition. The fact of the matter is that to really do that they might need the extra bandwidth supplied by the chipset along with extra memory speeds as well as any other secret sauce they are putting into the Zen 2 chipset, which they are developing in house (I really like this from a security standpoint to be fair).

Martini1991 · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:22

Mercutio said:
I've just made the jump to 120hz 4k. Zen 2 is about my last big upgrade before (probable) fatherhood. Getting them all in now

I'd love a 2080Ti.
I've got a 4K OLED that I've got my Vega 64 connected to over HDMI 2.0.

Games look excellent but yeah.

My monitor looks poor in comparison, but I'm only changing monitor when I can get an ultra wide OLED.

OLED's the future.

Martini1991 · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:24

Vince said:
Clearly they don't want to repeat radeon VII mistakes. Launch day reviews will stick with radeon VII forever, even though we know now it's a much better card than people probably think yet it will always, in most peoples eyes, only ever be as good as those reviews. To show Zen 2 in it's absolute best light it needs everything intel has and more, pci-e 4 needs to be there, thunderbolt, insane memory frequencies, it all needs to be there and it needs to be working. This thing needs to come out of the gate and be everything everybody is expecting it to be. Ask yourself this, if you made a revolutionary product that you know to show in the best light needed a little time, would you execute anyway? Live with those bad reviews but know it will get faster in a few months or would you wait, get the chipset ready and show your very strongest hand?

To me this is where the scales start to tip. AMD need a clear winner, something that beats everything from the competition in every single metric both price and performance, a product that they can stand on stage and say "come at me", something that gives the consumer absolutely no reason to invest in the competition. The fact of the matter is that to really do that they might need the extra bandwidth supplied by the chipset along with extra memory speeds as well as any other secret sauce they are putting into the Zen 2 chipset, which they are developing in house (I really like this from a security standpoint to be fair).

*If* AMD release a CPU that completely knocks Intel out, then I can understand and accept the delay. It's just how long it's been since the cinebench demo.

And I guess the first Ryzen launch was pretty flawed, so I can understand.

Troezar · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:25

I'm expecting a July release for Zen 2, anything sooner is bonus. I'll take solid release over a rushed one any day, plus it gives me time to save more money.

Mercutio · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:27

Troezar said:
I'm expecting a July release for Zen 2, anything sooner is bonus. I'll take solid release over a rushed one any day, plus it gives me time to save more money.

Yup, July 7th seems the date for the betting folks amongst us.

4K8KW10 · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:29

Martini1991 said:
That's not what I'd consider pushing it.
There's a limited edition Vega 64 in the B-Grade section for 300 pound. I could buy it to crossfire with my same Vega 64 but there's not a chance in hell I'd touch a Vega 64 crossfire with a barge pole.

I'd want a single GPU that's twice as powerful as my Vega 64.

And even then, that's going to come in at an expensive price, so it's not really going to push it in terms of appeal.

OK, then promoting it, working hard to implement it, limiting Full HD to legacy support, etc policies

Martini1991 · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:31

4K8KW10 said:
OK, then promoting it, working hard to implement it, limiting Full HD to legacy support, etc policies

Limiting Full HD to legacy support? Considering 4K resolutions are the minority in the PC gaming space that'd be a joke.

AMD promote it as much as they can, simply put the performance isn't there.

andy_mk3 · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:32

As much as I'd love Zen2 to be here tomorrow, I'd be kinda glad if it was July. I may have spent the majority of my budget on watercooling things

Mercutio · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:39

Seems the Aorus Master for Zen 2 is confirmed (I saw someone mentioned it early, I forget if they were confirming or hoping for

).

cliffy · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:41

Martini1991 said:
*If* AMD release a CPU that completely knocks Intel out, then I can understand and accept the delay. It's just how long it's been since the cinebench demo.

And I guess the first Ryzen launch was pretty flawed, so I can understand.

What delay, didnt AMD say at CES it woul;d be about half way through the year so June / July?

4K8KW10 · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:43

Martini1991 said:
Limiting Full HD to legacy support? Considering 4K resolutions are the minority in the PC gaming space that'd be a joke.

AMD promote it as much as they can, simply put the performance isn't there.

AMD don't promote anything. There is a single or double shy attempts in some internal slide and presentations and that's it.
They need to address the benchmarking policies of some reviewing websites which intentionally sabotage the 4K review games results, pushing 4K with AA, kookoo.
Etc... you know what I mean.

Martini1991 · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:44

cliffy said:
What delay, didnt AMD say at CES it woul;d be about half way through the year so June / July?

Don't recall AMD saying anything.
I'm just replying to posts that mention a delay caused by X570 boards.

LePhuronn · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:46

Mercutio said:
Yup, July 7th seems the date for the betting folks amongst us.

Which numerically is awesome, but that's a Sunday. Mammoth hardware release on a Sunday?

LePhuronn · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:47

Martini1991 said:
Don't recall AMD saying anything.
I'm just replying to posts that mention a delay caused by X570 boards.

Mid 2019 is what AMD had all over the Zen 2 stuff at CES.

Martini1991 · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:53

LePhuronn said:
Mid 2019 is what AMD had all over the Zen 2 stuff at CES.

Q3 2019 then.

FoxEye · 1 Apr 2019 at 21:53

4K8KW10 said:
OK, then promoting it, working hard to implement it, limiting Full HD to legacy support, etc policies

What does "limiting 1080p to legacy support" even mean?

That sounds like absolute nonsense.

It's like saying that because Excel can do 65,536 rows (probably more these days), they'll remove the ability to create sheets with less than 10,000 rows.

It doesn't make any kind of logical sense in any universe.

Mercutio · 2 Apr 2019 at 00:35

FoxEye said:
What does "limiting 1080p to legacy support" even mean?

Considering pretty much every new card released now (considering the 1660ti seems to be about the bottom of the stack) need a VERY high end processor with a decent overclock to keep them fed with work in most games at 1080p...
Why isn't it reasonable to relegate 1080p in the same way as 720p isn't serious business now either?

Folks need to move on.

They don't need to put effort into specific 1080p support when basically any card from now will be sat twiddling it's thumbs up to half the time in 1080p workloads.
Removing specific effort as it's utterly trivial for modern hardware seems quite sensible.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 2 Apr 2019 at 00:56

Zen2 on MSI X570 MEG turn on SISoftware database:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-3000-series-matisse-msi-meg-x570-creation,38967.html

The quad-core Ryzen 3000-series processor reportedly runs with a 3.4GHz base clock and 3.8GHz boost clock. It also comes equipped with 4MB of L2 cache and 16MB of L3 cache. This model in particular carries a 65W TDP (thermal design power) badge, which concurs with AdoredTV's 65W allegation for Ryzen 3 3000-series chips.

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