I don't think many people here attend Hogwarts.
Anyone been on the ketogenic diet long term?
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I don't think many people here attend Hogwarts.
Haha
In the general case it seems to be - thus the question (posed in general) - why not just eat healthily?
I've not heard of it being used for type 2 diabetes, I'd heard of its use for epilepsy - is that the current recommended thing to do re: type 2 diabetes or is it more that because people are to be careful re: their sugar intake then keto is useful?
You answered my initial question by asserting that type 2 diabetes isn't a fad - I didn't claim it was and by asserting that a low carb diet is recommended - well that is a bit of a no brainer tbh.. but low carb doesn't necessarily mean very low carb/high fat keto diet.
Cutting out the sugar and carbs completely removes the addiction/cravings for more and helps you maintain control over your eating habits.
Once sugar is involved it becomes harder to control, so for those with weak will moderation will never do and the extreme of Keto works best.
Okey dokey. Are you like this in everyday conversation? Someone gives you a fact and additional logic and you have to ask for evidence?
"Hey Dowie, you know when it rains it's best to bring in your drying off the clothes line or they may get wet."
"Do you have any empirical evidence or a peer reviewed study showing that rain is in fact wet and can actually make dry clothes no longer dry? I need citations."
A great post by Ben Carpenter. All the IDs at the bottom are PubMed studies which you can look up yourself.
No diet is special. Do what works for you as long as it's sustainable. For me personally I'd hate Keto and would not be able to stick to it. As to associating the Western diet with all those diseases and illnesses... not sure I agree. The availability of sugar (plus other high calorie food) and the fact a lot of people overeat is the problem. Sugar is not addictive either, it's highly palatable though which is why people often over eat it; I've never seen somebody on the street because they spent all their money on their next hook up of sugar.
To those who suggested that Keto is recommended for Epilepsy - sort of. It's mostly recommended for children with epilepsy, it's rarely recommended for adults because generally speaking it's quite difficult for them to stick to. Children require a lot less calories so it's a bit easier. And this is coming from me, an epileptic who's got his nose in the fitness industry... Just do you.
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This isn't every day conversation - this is a forum and you're on a computer or mobile where you could easily back it up if it were true. In an every day conversation you could have course ask what it is based on etc.. obviously you're not going to get links..
I mean do you just blindly accept it if someone says their gran went to an African witch doctor and her cancer was cured?
You made a claim, I simply asked you about it - that's pretty reasonable... the fact you seemingly can't or won't back it up makes your claim a bit worthless.
I just don't understand the mentality here - you're literally on a forum you asserted something but in actual fact you've got no idea whether it is true or not and when asked you tell me to have a google instead...
What's wrong with you? You're asking for evidence that sugar is addictive and cutting it out makes it easier for the weak willed to control their eating habits? That was my post but actually it turns out that isn't the question you asked. You're asking a dowie question, enjoy.
It's dowie being dowie, what do you expect.
As for the OP. yes I keto, currently on low carb though. Always feel much better on keto, more energy, sleep better, not bloated. Losing weight is just a nice side effect, not the main reason to follow keto.
I personally found it more sustainable , Currently I eat low carb but not specifically keto and I find this easily sustainable too as I feel satiated on less food and often don’t feel hungry for a long time after eating.
No I didn't ask for evidence that sugar is addictive. I asked the question in this post - why are you getting so defensive over a simple question being asked?:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/33098123/
"Is there evidence to suggest people have more success with sustaining this diet on an ongoing basis vs other diets that involve cutting calories?"
Its a reasonable question in reply to your post but instead of answering you've just been moaning about the fact I asked it which seems to indicate that you're making claims you don't really know are true or not. It wasn't a trick question by the way - I was genuinely interested but instead you just took offence at being asked.
Great contribution... I see this is going to start to attract the petty posters with some personal vendetta etc...
This is supposed to be a forum - a place for sharing information, the thread is about something that could be interesting - not a politics discussion or something largely opinion based etc...
If it was just a bunch of keto/Paleo bros - all posting and saying "yeah this diet is great etc.. felt bad at first but now it's cured me eczema and I'm banging a different hot chick every weekend..." etc.. then it wouldn't be too informative.
If someone is making a claim then asking a question about that claim is a a fairly reasonable thing to do. I don't see how it is particularly helpful for people to just fob off something like that then take offence at even being asked a question. Nor is it particularly helpful for a thread to just contain any old claims whether they're true or not.
I'm not asking him to run off and go fetch peer reviews journals but he could have linked to wherever he/she picked up the info etc.. maybe a blog by a dietitian etc.. If people are just making up stuff they don't really know/can't back up then that isn't too helpful for this stuff either.
I'm not stating he/she's necessarily wrong either - this is however one of those fad diets that seems to be getting a bit of a cult following, that sort of stuff ought to rightly be treated with some degree of skepticism.
It doesn't necessarily follow that just because sugar is addictive that this diet is necessarily going to be easy to stick to or is the best diet for people who are weak willed etc... I'd have thought that someone making that claim might have actually read about it somewhere or have some further info etc..
It probably has escaped the attention of most people that a poster on here who has actually been very successful in losing a significant amount of weight has commented a couple of times in the thread, has dropped in a useful link and is just advocating portion control rather than fad diets.
Not being funny but I was discussing the topic itself, you've just popped in to add nothing aside from snide comments.
dowie, our family and a friend did the fructose (fruit sugar) detox diet as an experiment after the publication of the book Sweet Poison. The main results were that after 2.5 days all 4 of us could not eat our normal portion size of family meals, but only about 60% of it - we felt absolutely full and couldn't eat another mouthful.
However, we had to stop the experiment because each one of us had by the third day a feeling of being completely 'stoned' /high as if we were on some happy drug. The two teenagers wouldn't have been able to do their schoolwork if we hadn't. One member of the group stuck to the diet - and was still high almost a week later.
e: btw the 'automatic portion control' effect of that diet disappears after a single teaspoon of sugar 50/50 fructose and glucose) in a cup of tea. The high then disappears / switches off about 15 minutes later.
e: Interestingly, the type of high produced is identical to that caused by drinking a particular shopping aisle brand of tea the first time you drink it - happy, giggly, etc - but the tea effect only lasts about 2 hours (10 subjects / participants in experiment).
e: the supermarket tea was a particular brand of Rooibos tea. The effect appears to only occur once (first time it is taken). An attempt to repeat the results at 3mo, 6mo and 18months showed no 'high' effects.
However, we had to stop the experiment because each one of us had by the third day a feeling of being completely 'stoned' /high as if we were on some happy drug. The two teenagers wouldn't have been able to do their schoolwork if we hadn't. One member of the group stuck to the diet - and was still high almost a week later.
e: btw the 'automatic portion control' effect of that diet disappears after a single teaspoon of sugar 50/50 fructose and glucose) in a cup of tea. The high then disappears / switches off about 15 minutes later.
e: Interestingly, the type of high produced is identical to that caused by drinking a particular shopping aisle brand of tea the first time you drink it - happy, giggly, etc - but the tea effect only lasts about 2 hours (10 subjects / participants in experiment).
e: the supermarket tea was a particular brand of Rooibos tea. The effect appears to only occur once (first time it is taken). An attempt to repeat the results at 3mo, 6mo and 18months showed no 'high' effects.
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Yikes, that one sounds very dubious! 
The NHS actually has their own weight loss plan for people with a BMI of 25 or above it seems:
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-weight/start-the-nhs-weight-loss-plan/
I am quite interested in finding good diets (not for weight loss per se but just in general, I'm basically at the upper limit of the normal weight range/BMI at the moment though was a bit overweight before and very briefly obese at one point last year which prompted me to sort it out as I used to be very fit)
It does seem so far that a Mediterranean style diet regularly sees publications citing benefits to following it.
https://www.nhs.uk/news/food-and-diet/more-evidence-for-mediterranean-diet/
The NHS actually has their own weight loss plan for people with a BMI of 25 or above it seems:
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-weight/start-the-nhs-weight-loss-plan/
I am quite interested in finding good diets (not for weight loss per se but just in general, I'm basically at the upper limit of the normal weight range/BMI at the moment though was a bit overweight before and very briefly obese at one point last year which prompted me to sort it out as I used to be very fit)
It does seem so far that a Mediterranean style diet regularly sees publications citing benefits to following it.
https://www.nhs.uk/news/food-and-diet/more-evidence-for-mediterranean-diet/