AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

It is somewhat baffling that a company like AMD seems to not be able to produce a decent stock cooler. The reason they gave in that interview a while back was blowers offered consistent performance and didn't depend as much on the chassis, whereas axial depended more on the airflow in the case.

All well and good but do they have to be so loud? Can they not make the heat-sink wider to give more surface area for lower fan speeds? That was the big issue with the Radeon vii, it LOOKED good but when you took the card apart the actual surface area wasn't great at all, plus it had massive chunks taken out of it to accommodate the fans, instead of making it wider so the heat-sink could be taller and the fans not taking away from it.

I have no clue - I heard an explanation once,that AIB parters would get annoyed if AMD overshadowed them.

I can wait if AMD gives me a reason to wait. Just launching "something" in 4-6 weeks doesn't cut it. Something could be anything.

Shrugs. People waited 6 months for Fermi,and months for the FX with zero information,so people always wait for Nvidia. In the end if you are really are that desperate to get something because your system is going to go kaput,then get an RTX3080 when its launched.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I can wait if AMD gives me a reason to wait. Just launching "something" in 4-6 weeks doesn't cut it. Something could be anything.

 

[aoaaron]

If AMD then rush out a competitor,but have a crap cooler,QA/QC problems,driver bugs,no stock etc then the same lot will say,why can't AMD spend more time and make a better launch,and buy Nvidia. If they launched a month before Ampere,people would still wait for Ampere. AMD can't win either way - they need to think of the next 18 months to 2 years of sales,so better they have a decent launch,and make sure the cards are implemented properly.



They can target higher clockspeeds and more VRAM for similar SKUs.

Thats just not true.

If AMD had released GPUs a couple of months ago with the 3070/3080 touted specs and performance relative to the 20 series, many NVIDIA owners, myself included, would have bought these new shiny AMD cards by now.

AMD can win, and they can win by being timely in their announcements, next gen performance and releasing their products in a timely fashion to be competitive with NVIDIA.

I feel sorry for anyone who has been waiting for 2080TI-level performance for AMD and was polite enough to 'wait' for them (its been years).

 

[Howling]

Another thing I've seen and had an argument with a mate about was the power of the nVidia requirements for 3000 series, he reckoned they're going backwards again with power requirements... ?I didn't have a problem with the pwoer requirements at all!

Just wondering on here, who cares? When I say this, lets just say for argument sake, the 3080 needed 500W... I wouldn't bat an eyelid at this, because for me, as long as it performed, I really dont' care what power it uses to get there i.e. it's best in the world but requires tons of power, yeah I know that's not efficient blah blah blah, but for me, I'd still go and buy it even if it required 1000W to run, because it's the best... I've noticed that these new cards need that extra horsepower... it was like when I ran quadfire of two 295x2's... that was pulling from the wall incredible wattage... did I care? not really they were both water cooled and ran fine lol.

so, my question here is, if AMD release something that is exact performance of say 3080 for argumnents sake, and its £100 less BUT used 500W... what would people go for then? for me, no brainer, AMD as performance per £ is better, I couldnt' give two hoots if it uses more power to get there. However I get that people may go, well that's not efficient and poor design blah blah, but the fact is, it's as fast and cheaper...

Just wondering what peoples priority 1 is here... out and out performance? performance per £ or performance per watt? Is it it a combo of all three? Mine personally is performance per £

The only reason I look at power is simply heat... If you have a 350W card, it's gonna be running hot/loud... then you have to consider that any overclock is going to compound that issue further... I couldn't care less how much power it's using from the actual power side - it's the effects of using that power that matter.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Thats just not true.

If AMD had released GPUs which the 3070/3080 touted specs and performance relative to the 20 series, many NVIDIA owners, myself included, would have bought these new shiny AMD cards by now.

AMD can win, and they can win by being timely in their announcements, next gen performance and releasing their products in a timely fashion to be competitive with NVIDIA.

Did lots of Nvidia users buy the R9 290X/R9 290,despite it have 33% more VRAM,etc. No,many on here moaned about the crap AMD stock cooler,and since Nvidia dropped the price on the GTX780 a bit(it cost more IIRC,but had a free game),bought that instead because it had better coolers,etc.

Also,by then the R9 290/290X got the whole hot and loud meme,especially since Nvidia marketing sent cards to websites like The Techreport,and said quiet mode,etc throttled the cards,etc. Even when much better AIB models came in 2 months or so the damage was done. The R9 290/290X didn't sell that well longterm and AMD GPU marketshare started to go down,and when the GTX970 came out,it got worse. You could get the best aftermarket R9 290 4GB models for £170~£180 at one point.

If AMD had launched the R9 290 series with much better stock coolers,or launched it with AIB models,it would have sold better,but that would have meant delaying the launch at least one to two months.

The R9 290X should have made AMD's marketshare better,but it ended up preciding over its decline to record lows.

Another problem is the whole RX5700XT driver "problems" which Twitter made a huge deal off. AMD rushing the RDNA2 based GPUs with buggy drivers,will lead to people saying "it's an RX5700XT" repeat,buy Nvidia and its back to square one.

AMD needs to have a perfect launch,with drivers working all fine. It needs decent stock coolers too. Anything else,and people will buy Nvidia longterm even if AMD has more performance, more VRAM at each tier and lower power consumption. More people bought the GTX780 over the R9 290 series.

 

[humbug]

This Coreteks guy is taking a massive risk saying the best AMD can do is a 16GB ~3070, he's basically saying AMD can't do much better than the 5700XT and certainly no better than the consoles.

That is a huge gamble and if he's wrong which he almost certainly is the Internet are not going to let him get away with that, he will ruin his own reputation and everyone citing his claims.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

The Coreteks guy is taking a massive risk saying the best AMD can do is a 16GB ~3070, he's basically saying AMD can't do much better than the 5700XT and certainly no better than the consoles.

That is a huge gamble and if he's wrong which he almost certainly is the Internet are not going to let him get away with that, he will ruin his own reputation and everyone citing his claims.

NAAF is going the opposite way, he is sure Big Navi will beat a 3080 on raw performance but unsure about a 3090....

 

[aoaaron]

Did lots of Nvidia users buy the R9 290X/R9 290,despite it have 33% more VRAM,etc. No,many on here moaned about the crap AMD stock cooler,and since Nvidia dropped the price on the GTX780 a bit(it cost more IIRC,but had a free game),bought that instead because it had better coolers,etc.

Also,by then the R9 290/290X got the whole hot and loud meme,especially since Nvidia marketing sent cards to websites like The Techreport,and said quiet mode,etc throttled the cards,etc. Even when much better AIB models came in 2 months or so the damage was done. The R9 290/290X didn't sell that well longterm and AMD GPU marketshare started to go down,and when the GTX970 came out,it got worse. You could get the best aftermarket R9 290 4GB models for £170~£180 at one point.

If AMD had launched the R9 290 series with much better stock coolers,or launched it with AIB models,it would have sold better,but that would have meant delaying the launch at least one to two months. Another problem is the whole RX5700XT driver "problems" which Twitter made a huge deal off. AMD rushing the RDNA2 based GPUs with buggy drivers,will lead to people saying "it's an RX5700XT" repeat,buy Nvidia and its back to square one.

The bottom line is if AMD had released cards which blew the 20 series out of the water 1-2 months ago, people would have bought them.

As usual, AMD are late to the party.

How many years did an AMD fan have to wait for 1080ti level performance from the 1080tis release date? How long have AMD fans had and are still waiting for 2080ti-level performance?

In recent time, power has become VERY important because anyone who games at a demanding resolution (4k or ultrawide) needs the best performance they can get to try and crawl over the 60fps line. AMD have simply gone missing or came very late during this time.

 

[Phixsator]

The Coreteks guy is taking a massive risk saying the best AMD can do is a 16GB ~3070, he's basically saying AMD can't do much better than the 5700XT and certainly no better than the consoles.

That is a huge gamble and if he's wrong which he almost certainly is the Internet are not going to let him get away with that, he will ruin his own reputation and everyone citing his claims.

I think that's putting words in his mouth . He didn't say that the best AMD could do was a 3070 contender, he said that's what AMD would be doing. There is a difference, one is a limitation, the other is an evaluated choice. To be fair, I would be a bit disappointed if AMD didn't go balls to the wall crazy with some 70-80 CU monster but I understand why they might not want to. More money in sticking to the 3070 contender market and avoid bigger dies. More per water, lower cost per die, more money in the bank.

 

[humbug]

NAAF is going the opposite way, he is sure Big Navi will beat a 3080 on raw performance but unsure about a 3090....

No one should be predicting Big Navi performance with such certainty, no one has yet, other than this Coreteks guy and very foolishly he's decided to bet his reputation on saying the best AMD will do is what they have already done in a box you plug into your TV.

Idiot. Coreteks, not you

 

[Twinz]

[Insert "Say Something" video here]

 

[BigBANGtheory]

Did lots of Nvidia users buy the R9 290X/R9 290,despite it have 33% more VRAM,etc. No,many on here moaned about the crap AMD stock cooler,and since Nvidia dropped the price on the GTX780 a bit(it cost more IIRC,but had a free game),bought that instead because it had better coolers,etc.

I got one my last AMD GPU was an R9 290x, though I had to replace the reference cooler with 3rd party solution it did run hot and loud tbh. Performed really well though no complaints here and would definitely buy another AMD if the performance is there my main issue has been AMD not offering a high enough performing GPU in god knows how long.

 

[pugheaven]

This Coreteks guy is taking a massive risk saying the best AMD can do is a 16GB ~3070, he's basically saying AMD can't do much better than the 5700XT and certainly no better than the consoles.

That is a huge gamble and if he's wrong which he almost certainly is the Internet are not going to let him get away with that, he will ruin his own reputation and everyone citing his claims.

Exactly hence why I turned his crap off after a few seconds lol

 

[Phate]

Been out of the loop for a few days. Last I heard was Sept announcement and Oct 7th release as the rumours, any further developments?

 

[gpuerrilla]

I got one my last AMD GPU was an R9 290x, though I had to replace the reference cooler with 3rd party solution it did run hot and loud tbh. Performed really well though no complaints here and would definitely buy another AMD if the performance is there my main issue has been AMD not offering a high enough performing GPU in god knows how long.

Same. Great card. I did buy a vega though recently as price was good which runs quiet and cool on AIB stock setup.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The bottom line is if AMD had released cards which blew the 20 series out of the water 1-2 months ago, people would have bought them.

As usual, AMD are late to the party.

How many years did an AMD fan have to wait for 1080ti level performance from the 1080tis release date? How long have AMD fans had and are still waiting for 2080ti-level performance?

In recent time, power has become VERY important because anyone who games at a demanding resolution (4k or ultrawide) needs the best performance they can get to try and crawl over the 60fps line. AMD have simply gone missing or came very late during this time.

No they wouldn't. People waited months for the Nvidia FX back when the 9700 PRO was a massive improvement,and loads waited for Fermi,when AMD had a 6~9 month lead. Nvidia still outsold them with the DX10 GTX200 series,which was slower,despite AMD having the only DX11 capable GPUs for 6 months.

The ATI 9000 series destroyed the FX series,but their marketshare actually decreased as loads waited months,for worse GPUs and bought them. Many waited months and bought Fermi cards,even though they drunk power and were a disappointment. Many waited for Kepler,when the HD7970 was out. It doesn't matter if Nvidia was slower or faster,people waited for Nvidia. That is how it has been for nearly 20 years,ever since I really got interested in building PCs. It was quite common for ATI to launch before Nvidia. Nvidia still outsold them,with their older generation products.

Plus all the people say AMD launch quickly,are the same ones who will moan if the stock cooler isn't good enough,or there is a driver bug,and say wait for Nvidia.

So if your GPU is on the verge of exploding and you can't wait,put in a RTX3080 and then stop worrying. AMD launching before they are ready just for some impatient enthusiasts to get them earlier,will actually lose them share longterm,if their GPUs are poorly launched. First impressions count,and if AMD needs to launch them "late" then that is how it is. If not we can have more R9 290 cooler memes.

Plus,have you not even considered volumes?? Maybe Nvidia is launching "early" with a few 1000 cards,and AMD might actually want to launch with decent volume. Either way my GPU is fine for now,so I am not in any rush,and you have a better system than me,so not sure why your RTX2080 is suddenly useless. If it is then get the RTX3080 and it will be solved.

 

[Journey]

The amount of absolute garbage posted on YouTube etc. is unreal, I've no idea why people pay any attention to the utter guess work that is put into videos only designed to give views/clicks and interactions in order for the creators to make money.

It's "Waffle, waffle, waffle, RDNA2 but 8 billion CU's, waffle, waffle, Nvida RTX 98000450 wit h25.4GB's of GDDR9X RAM will be, waffle, waffle, waffle. "

 

[matty007]

I think that's putting words in his mouth . He didn't say that the best AMD could do was a 3070 contender, he said that's what AMD would be doing. There is a difference, one is a limitation, the other is an evaluated choice. To be fair, I would be a bit disappointed if AMD didn't go balls to the wall crazy with some 70-80 CU monster but I understand why they might not want to. More money in sticking to the 3070 contender market and avoid bigger dies. More per water, lower cost per die, more money in the bank.

Sort of a moot point with 7nm. AMD will have MUCH better yields with their dies. 7nm not only draws less power, but it allows much higher yields, resulting in better financial results.

Honestly, I'd be shocked and quite amazed if AMD didn't at least match or slightly surpass a 3080. 3090 may be a reach, but I wouldn't even write that off.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Agree, while many point the finger at AMD as they are an easier target, they cannot constantly trade blows with nvidia in the dGPU segment. Judging by the posts on here, its no wonder as so many are already opening the wallet for nvidia cards without even pausing to think if its a sensible purchase (i.e. the 2080Ti panic sale when the 3070 isnt concrete better).

 

[aoaaron]

No they wouldn't. People waited months for the Nvidia FX back when the 9700 PRO was a massive improvement,and loads waited for Fermi,when AMD had a 6~9 month lead. The ATI 9000 series destroyed the FX series,but their marketshare actually decreased as loads waited months,for worse GPUs and bought them. Many waited months and bought Fermi cards,even though they drunk power and were a disappointment. Many waited for Kepler,when the HD7970 was out. It doesn't matter if Nvidia was slower or faster,people waited for Nvidia. That is how it has been for nearly 20 years,ever since I really got interested in building PCs. It was quite common for ATI to launch before Nvidia. Nvidia still outsold them.

Plus all the people say AMD launch quickly,are the same ones who will moan if the stock cooler isn't good enough,or there is a driver bug,and say wait for Nvidia.

So if your GPU is on the verge of exploding and you can't wait,put in a RTX3080 and then stop worrying. AMD launching before they are ready just for some impatient fans to get them earlier,will actually lose them share longterm,if they GPUs are poorly launched. First impressions count,and if AMD needs to launch them "late" then that is how it is. If not we can have more R9 290 cooler memes.

Plus,have you not even considered volumes?? Maybe Nvidia is launching "early" with a few 1000 cards,and AMD might actually want to launch with decent volume. Either way my GPU is fine for now,so I am not in any rush,and you have a better system than me,so not sure why your RTX2080 is suddenly useless.

I still can't help bit disagree with your initial notion that no matter how early AMD were to release a superior product, people would go for NVIDIA in this specific climate. With the 20 series being underwhelming at best and poor value, if AMD had launched a comparable 30-series level product a month or two ago, people would have went crazy for it IMO.

It seems like blatant AMD fanboyism, making a multitude of excuses for AMD being missing at the high-end for the past 2-4 years.

I'm personally hoping to wait on my GPU purchase until Cyberpunk drops. Hopefully by then AMD would have got their act togethher and we'll have reliable benchmarks from both manufacturers on a videogame that is likely to set the standard and benchmark for the next 24 months (which is about the time I'll then buy a new GPU).