AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[BigBANGtheory]

No one should be predicting Big Navi performance with such certainty, no one has yet, other than this Coreteks guy and very foolishly he's decided to bet his reputation on saying the best AMD will do is what they have already done in a box you plug into your TV.

Idiot. Coreteks, not you

I think Coreteks is wrong. For that to be true it means AMD have pussed out on the die size and/or something has gone wrong with the scaling of RDNA2... and if either of those are true I doubt he'd know any more than anyone else.

 

[humbug]

Exactly hence why I turned his crap off after a few seconds lol

He's so certain because his claimed AMD insiders told him so.

Someone who is well aware of the details we already know about RDNA2 should have been wise enough to realize in that instant "I'm being played here"

Look at all the varying Ampere leaks and predictions, Nvidia's own partners put up the wrong info on their websites literally minutes before Jens pulled that breeze block out of his oven.

 

[aoaaron]

Sort of a moot point with 7nm. AMD will have MUCH better yields with their dies. 7nm not only draws less power, but it allows much higher yields, resulting in better financial results.

Honestly, I'd be shocked and quite amazed if AMD didn't at least match or slightly surpass a 3080. 3090 may be a reach, but I wouldn't even write that off.

I hope so. They have the benefit of a superior process and they can also push aware as much of their marketting on raytracing which NVIDIA seem posed to shove down our throats despite the lack of support, and maybe put more of that space and money into rasterisation.

I really really hope they turn up. I just wish they'd release some details. The silence from them personally suggests they're speechless following NVIDIA's reveal, I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Zeed]

I still can't help bit disagree with your initial notion that no matter how early AMD were to release a superior product, people would go for NVIDIA in this specific climate. With the 20 series being underwhelming at best and poor value, if AMD had launched a comparable 30-series level product a month or two ago, people would have went crazy for it IMO.

It seems like blatant AMD fanboyism, making a multitude of excuses for AMD being missing at the high-end for the past 2-4 years.

I'm personally hoping to wait on my GPU purchase until Cyberpunk drops. Hopefully by then AMD would have got their act togethher and we'll have reliable benchmarks from both manufacturers on a videogame that is likely to set the standard and benchmark for the next 24 months (which is about the time I'll then buy a new GPU).

As You said AMD did it to themeselfes for overhyping GPU after GPU then not delivering over and over again. NGreedia at lest delivers at higher price but DELIVERS

 

[gpuerrilla]

Lol maybe. Thing is like a poker game, theres always a chance AMD now are gonna show the hand and it might not be the flop as most are predicting...

 

[opethdisciple]

This Coreteks guy is taking a massive risk saying the best AMD can do is a 16GB ~3070, he's basically saying AMD can't do much better than the 5700XT and certainly no better than the consoles.

That is a huge gamble and if he's wrong which he almost certainly is the Internet are not going to let him get away with that, he will ruin his own reputation and everyone citing his claims.

Well.... doesn't sound too far wrong to be fair.

Hitting 3070 performance but not 3080 sounds plausible. We expected them to hit 2080ti performance but I wasn't expecting them to go above it.

And AMD have always had a history of offering things to the consumer ahead of time. Like 16GB vram on a GPU or being the first to support DX10.1 etc etc etc... so it adds up to me.

A 3070 level card with 16GB vram sounds about right.

The performance matches a 2080ti and the vram matches the consoles.

Doesn't sound like such a implausible thing to expect.

 

[matty007]

It also has to said that due to those better yields, AMD will have a clear advantage in stock and availability. It feels like a LONG time since 20 series launched, and people are itching to upgrade. The most annoying thing? Even when they're launched, you could be waiting weeks, if not months, to actually get your hands on one. This is unacceptable.

AMD has the advantage of being less popular for one, which has the benefit of aiding stock levels. And then they have the much better yields which allows them to ship MUCH more stock. This could play into their hands when people who are itching to upgrade, simply can't with NVIDIA. If they deliver a high performance card, that offers value, coupled with that stock advantage, then that could give them a huge boost.

Honestly? For me, this is AMD's to lose. NVIDIA have no doubt offered a great set of cards this time, and they're not to be sneezed at. But the fact remains that they're beatable, especially with AMD's much superior node.

 

[aoaaron]

It also has to said that due to those better yields, AMD will have a clear advantage in stock and availability. It feels like a LONG time since 20 series launched, and people are itching to upgrade. The most annoying thing? Even when they're launched, you could be waiting weeks, if not months, to actually get your hands on one. This is unacceptable.

AMD has the advantage of being less popular for one, which has the benefit of aiding stock levels. And then they have the much better yields which allows them to ship MUCH more stock. This could play into their hands when people who are itching to upgrade, simply can't with NVIDIA. If they deliver a high performance card, that offers value, coupled with that stock advantage, then that could give them a huge boost.

Honestly? For me, this is AMD's to lose. NVIDIA have no doubt offered a great set of cards this time, and they're not to be sneezed at. But the fact remains that they're beatable, especially with AMD's much superior node.

I don't know about this. When demand is high, both sell out.

During the mining craze, I couldn't get my hands on an NVIDIA or AMD GPU. If demand is high and AMD have a revolutinary GPU with RTX 3080 beating performance at a cheaper price point, it won't be easily available IMO. People will be buying it, and fast.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Been out of the loop for a few days. Last I heard was Sept announcement and Oct 7th release as the rumours, any further developments?

I've never heard of an october 7th release date, only a rumour of an announcement on that day.

 

[Twinz]

Shrugs. People waited 6 months for Fermi,and months for the FX with zero information,so people always wait for Nvidia. In the end if you are really are that desperate to get something because your system is going to go kaput,then get an RTX3080 when its launched.

Desperate? Here's what I was saying back in August.

First company to beat my 1080Ti by 60% at the $700-$750 price point wins my money.

This ^ is from August.

Were I "desperate" I would have coughed up $1200 (back in May) for the 2080Ti I have been saying was a terrible value since it launched. I simply refused to fork over that much money for such a small performance bump.

Now, it appears Nvidia are offering exactly what I wanted.

And if I were desperate, I wouldn't wait for independent testing, but I've also already said this about reviews and when the NDA lifts:

I hope they publish *before* the day of launch. I'm not looking to spend $700-$800 dollars on scarce cherry-picked-by-Nvidia benchmarks. (Even if the cherry-picked stuff looks really great)

I may have to suffer through the first wave of low/no stock, and jump in once things settle down.

This would also give AMD more time to make their case.

Nvidia seems to have made a good offer. They have given me a reason to buy. In fact, they seem to be offering exactly what I asked for.

 

[matty007]

I don't know about this. When demand is high, both sell out.

During the mining craze, I couldn't get my hands on an NVIDIA or AMD GPU. If demand is high and AMD have a revolutinary GPU with RTX 3080 beating performance at a cheaper price point, it won't be easily available IMO. People will be buying it, and fast.

I do agree, but they should still be more avaliable than NVIDIA. The yield advantage over Samsung's node is quite high. And to be honest? Even if they do bring high performance at a great price, many people still won't touch them due to this driver midset, amongst other things.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I still can't help bit disagree with your initial notion that no matter how early AMD were to release a superior product, people would go for NVIDIA in this specific climate. With the 20 series being underwhelming at best and poor value, if AMD had launched a comparable 30-series level product a month or two ago, people would have went crazy for it IMO.

It seems like blatant AMD fanboyism, making a multitude of excuses for AMD being missing at the high-end for the past 2-4 years.

I'm personally hoping to wait on my GPU purchase until Cyberpunk drops. Hopefully by then AMD would have got their act togethher and we'll have reliable benchmarks from both manufacturers on a videogame that is likely to set the standard and benchmark for the next 24 months (which is about the time I'll then buy a new GPU).

Radeon 9000 launched months ahead of Nvidia =Nvidia massively ahead with FX. HD3000/HD4000= Nvidia massively ahead. HD5000 launched 6 months before=Nvidia massively ahead.

Now you can't fight with facts,you are calling everyone who disagrees with you a fanboi,because that is what your mindset is - a false victim.

Sorry your the one acting like a massive fanboi attacking people like a little child. 3 of my last 4 GPUs were Nvidia,so just wind in your false victimhood like the massive fanboi you are.

People like you are the ones which would moan at AMD if they rushed out a launch,as it was crap,and then moan if AMD launched later and it was better.

I have a GTX1080 that has served me well since 2016,and you are whining because your RTX2080 is too slow - so if you are so impatient than get a RTX3080 then??

You are just going on and on and on,about how annoyed you are AMD hasn't got GPUs out.

They are going to be latter than Nvidia. If it's causing you so much pain,then the 17th put in a day one order for an RTX3080,and you don't need to care anymore.

Desperate? Here's what I was saying back in August.



This ^ is from August.

Were I "desperate" I would have coughed up $1200 (back in May) for the 2080Ti I have been saying was a terrible value since it launched. I simply refused to fork over that much money for such a small performance bump.

Now, it appears Nvidia are offering exactly what I wanted.

And if I were desperate, I wouldn't wait for independent testing, but I've also already said this about reviews and when the NDA lifts:

Then if that is the case,is going on and on and on,about AMD is not launching it quick enough going to do anything??

It will come when it comes. If it comes too late for you,then that is AMD's problem.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

Lol maybe. Thing is like a poker game, theres always a chance AMD now are gonna show the hand and it might not be the flop as most are predicting...

I think you are right that is absolutely how its playing out this year.

As a consumer that 3080 looks mighty tempting, even if AMD can beat its performance there is still a question on price and what scenarios it could out perform.... at this price bracket you're not going to loose much even if you get it wrong and feel the need to correct be that Big Navi 21, 3080Ti or an early release of RDNA3 and Hopper.

 

[aoaaron]

Radeon 9000 launched months ahead of Nvidia =Nvidia massively ahead with FX. HD3000/HD4000= Nvidia massively ahead. HD5000 launched 6 months before=Nvidia massively ahead.

Now you can't fight with facts,you are calling everyone who disagrees with you a fanboi,because that is what your mindset is - a false victim.

Sorry your the one acting like a massive fanboi attacking people like a little child. 3 of my last 4 GPUs were Nvidia,so just wind in your false victimhood like the massive fanboi you are.

People like you are the ones which would moan at AMD if they rushed out a launch,as it was crap,and then moan if AMD launched later and it was better.

I have a GTX1080 that has served me well since 2016,and you are whining because your RTX2080 is too slow - so if you are so impatient than get a RTX3080 then??

As I said, people have been waiting nearly 2 years for their 2080ti-AMD equivalent. AMD being late is a big issue.

Yup my RTX 2080 is too slow for 4k/120hz on my 77'CX. Need faster!! Maybe your standards for gaming are lower than mine which is why you don't mind waiting. For low end and midrange gaming, AMD are great and give good value for money.

 

[aoaaron]

I do agree, but they should still be more avaliable than NVIDIA. The yield advantage over Samsung's node is quite high. And to be honest? Even if they do bring high performance at a great price, many people still won't touch them due to this driver midset, amongst other things.

I hope you are right in that they are readily available. If AMD can beat the 3080, I think the next 12-24 months in GPU world are going to be so competitive and the prices for customers are going to come back to normal levels.

If AMD don't have a high end bullet in the chamber, then sadly we are stuck with whatever NVIDIA want to charge us.

 

[matty007]

I think AMD know they need to bring it this time. They have created their own hype in a way, calling it 'Big Navi' and a Halo card. Not only that, but the upcoming consoles also added hype. A strong but 'inferior' card like the 5700xt won't cut it this time. Over the last years, they have constantly said they believe in big gaming performance, and I think that's what they will aim for.

What do I want? Something that can match or slightly surpass the 3080 at around £550-£600, even £620. And possibly more VRAM at 12GB. That would be perfect for me as I am only really interested in rasterization performace. People say my 5700xt is enough, but I don't agree. Yes, it's a strong card and will run anything at playable frames at 1440p, but in games like RDR2 I am struggling to hit 60fps at high quality 1440p. That is not enough for me, espeically for a 165hz monitor.

A match of the 3080, or slightly higher, would give me perhaps 100fps at high to ultra 1440p on RDR2 and close to my monitor refresh of 165hz in Gears 5 multiplayer. I'd be thrilled with that. If they can get near the 3090 for say a grand? Even better.

 

[Twinz]

Then if that is the case,is going on and on and on,about AMD is not launching it quick enough going to do anything??

It will come when it comes. If it comes too late for you,then that is AMD's problem.

Launching? I just want AMD to give me a reason not to buy. This is what I have been saying:

This. I don't need an actual card by then. But they need to give me a reason not to go Nvidia. (leak some benchmarks or something)

I'm hoping they take the "leaked" benchmark route. If I'm going to wait, I would like to have some way to quantify what I'm waiting for.

 

[aoaaron]

Launching? I just want AMD to give me a reason not to buy. This is what I have been saying:

Thank you! You hit the nail on the head. We aren't asking for the GPU to be delivered next day to our doorstep. Just give us an announcement, clear honest detail, evidence of performance, a talk through of the tech involved and prices.

I'm happy to wait a month or two months for AMD if they are having manufacturing issues but this silence is just not a good look. It makes me think AMD don't even care about us and just care about consoles +their amazing processors now.. with GPUs just being an arena they use to provide good value at the low-end and mid-range PC users.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I do agree, but they should still be more avaliable than NVIDIA. The yield advantage over Samsung's node is quite high. And to be honest? Even if they do bring high performance at a great price, many people still won't touch them due to this driver midset, amongst other things.

No problem. Its their loss and hopefully the regular public will buy them as the unbiased reviews catch up.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

As I said, people have been waiting nearly 2 years for their 2080ti-AMD equivalent. AMD being late is a big issue.

Yup my RTX 2080 is too slow for 4k/120hz on my 77'CX. Need faster!! Maybe your standards for gaming are lower than mine which is why you don't mind waiting. For low end and midrange gaming, AMD are great and give good value for money.

I game at qHD and its been fine,especially as people are obssessed with turning useless settings up,which do nothing. I am more CPU limited and probably VRAM limited in some scenarios. Plus for the most part,looking at Steam most are not even at GTX1080 level,so meh.

Its summer,and I spent enough time in front of the computer because of the lockdown. My gaming has dropped to a minimal level,as I am gamed out. I can wait. If AMD screws up this generation after I waited and Nvidia is better price/performance or offers a better package I will get them. In the scheme of the years I own GPUs,I am not going to rush into purchases. I want to see what both have to offer.

I have friends on worse GPUs,than me so I can't really complain either,and they need more of a GPU upgrade than me. So I won't get much sympathy from them either!

Launching? I just want AMD to give me a reason not to buy. This is what I have been saying:

So if AMD releases information next week,what if retail availability is after Nvidia??

RTX3080 availability is a week and a half from now. Its most likely AMD is anything from one month(October retail date) maybe nearly two months away(November retail date) later.

If one or even two months is too long to wait,then Nvidia are the only option until then,if Nvidia actually is doing a proper hard launch,or its one of the "limited volume" semi-hard ones.