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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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aoaaron said:
Nvidia for a few few months would crash on GTA V so required an old firmware.
Nvidia also recently dropped 3D support for their GPUs (god knows why).

both manufacturers are far from perfect IMO.
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I have a 1080Ti, great card but sometimes I get black screen issues when my TV is attached. No brand is flawless and I truly fail to see what I might lose if I just wait for both AMD and Nvidia to play their hands.
 
4K8KW10 said:
This is exactly what happens at the driver level and this is why AMD releases specific game-ready drivers.

For Nvidia it's the same - game developers are totally blind for what happens at Nvidia's driver level and the job is done by Nvidia's software engineers, not by the developers who have no access to the closed Nvidia ecosystem.
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For explicit multi-adapter that just isn't good enough - if a engine/game developer hasn't built their engine with a thought to how things would be most effectively rendered over multiple devices the information on the various scene elements simply might not be there for that to be done at driver level and/or the architecture of the game's rendering pipeline might be incompatible in its approach regardless of what they try to do at driver level. It is very much a feature that developers need to plan for when they build their production from the ground up.
 
This is all very reminiscent of the Apple and Android argument. I prefer the more open approach but many want the locked down, just works but restricted and expensive approach, even if it isn't actually perfect the illusion is comforting. Red pill, blue pill extends to so many areas of life. Fundamentally those two types of people will never agree.

That said I'd still wait for both to release in case one is a turkey. You can't make buying decisions from leaks, rumours and manufacturer's information. Bring on the reviews :cool:
 
I’d like to see AMD step up in vr in a major way, as a sim racer in vr only it’s my main use case.

currently, I have a Pimax headset which doesn’t even work with amd at all.
Nvidia SPS used by iracing is a large boost in performance. Not available on amd
VRSS has a much bigger implementation base than dlss! However it’s not supported on amd either
It might be a small footnote but us simracers are really excited by dlss support in vr and the pressure in now on the devs to implement it (ACC!)

If both vendors support such technologies then it increases the chance of implementation in more games and further fine tuning. When you’re driving 120/144hz per eye! You need all the performance you can get.
 
Im very open minded...

5670 A few months
5870 a good 6 months
5870 xfire another 6 months
gtx 570 nearly 1 year
Gtx 680 4-5 years i think
Gtx 980ti a few months
Gtx 980ti sli a few months
Rtx 2070 super a few months
Rtx 2080 9 months
 
Jay85 said:
Im very open minded...

5670 A few months
5870 a good 6 months
5870 xfire another 6 months
gtx 570 nearly 1 year
Gtx 680 4-5 years i think
Gtx 980ti a few months
Gtx 980ti sli a few months
Rtx 2070 super a few months
Rtx 2080 9 months
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WoW you change your card every 2 months?
And essentially what you are saying you haven't owned AMD card in some 8 years..:eek::cool::D.
 
Dontrocktheboat said:
Last time I was in green corner was 2011. It looks like it's time to come back..Sadly.
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If its the better option then do it. We cant speed up AMD's release, but if you can wait it out I would always consider them. Some dont mind buying and then moving hardware on taking a small loss.
 
Dontrocktheboat said:
WoW you change your card every 2 months?
And essentially what you are saying you haven't owned AMD card in some 8 years..:eek::cool::D.
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Yeah i went through a very weird period lol, i was obsessed with trying out new cards so got them for the sake of it most of the time.... It's been a very long time since i've delved into the realm of Radeon cards.

Gotta remember as well, cards were a lot cheaper back then. You could buy 2 5870's for the price of a 3080 today with change to spare!

Th0nt said:
If he doesnt slabber about how bad the drivers are etc. he's ok. However yeah in that pattern.. :D
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Tbh no, except for 5870 sli being abit sketchy at times, i never had an issue with the drivers. Surprisingly everything worked flawlessly for me.
 
Nov 18 RTX2070 8GB (Current) £499.99
Jul 15 980TI 6GB (still going in daughters PC)£539.99
Jan 14 Radeon R9 290 4GB £371.99
Nov 13 HD 7990 6GB £389.99
Sep 13 HD 7950 Ice Q 3GB £185.99
May 12 B Grade HD 6970 OC Lightning 2GB £149.99
May 12 HD 7850 Twin Frozr 2GB £168
Jul 11 B Grade Geforce GTX 460 Cyclone 1GB £79.99
Nov 10 GTX 470 1280MB £187.99
Mar 10 ATI Radeon HD5850 Pcs+ 1024MB £234.99
Jan 10 ATI Radeon HD5770 Vapor-X 1024MB £138.99

Wow cant believe how often I changed graphics cards all those years ago. Mix of Amd/Ati and Nvidia. You can see how it slowed down as cards got more expensive and also years ago third tier cards and B grades.
Right now I am sitting on some money, enough for a 3090 but no way, more like £600-£650, so maybe 3080 but I am waiting for legit reviews and Amd offerings to come.
Also may get the new XBOX as my son likes to game when he visits for the week-end.
As you can see I dont mind Nvidia or Amd and I cant remember ever having any great issues with either brand. Back in the day I used to dabble in overclocking cards/cpu/memory but dont bother with any of that nonsense know, getting old and cant be bothered. To be honest if I hadn't come into some money I wouldn't be looking at upgrading and this will probably be my last graphics card purchase.
 
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rolypolyman said:
Nov 18 RTX2070 8GB (Current) £499.99
Jul 15 980TI 6GB (still going in daughters PC)£539.99
Jan 14 Radeon R9 290 4GB £371.99
Nov 13 HD 7990 6GB £389.99
Sep 13 HD 7950 Ice Q 3GB £185.99
May 12 B Grade HD 6970 OC Lightning 2GB £149.99
May 12 HD 7850 Twin Frozr 2GB £168
Jul 11 B Grade Geforce GTX 460 Cyclone 1GB £79.99
Nov 10 GTX 470 1280MB £187.99
Mar 10 ATI Radeon HD5850 Pcs+ 1024MB £234.99
Jan 10 ATI Radeon HD5770 Vapor-X 1024MB £138.99

Wow cant believe how often I changed graphics cards all those years ago. Mix of Amd/Ati and Nvidia. You can see how it slowed down as cards got more expensive and also years ago third tier cards and B grades.
Right now I am sitting on some money, enough for a 3090 but no way, more like £600-£650, so maybe 3080 but I am waiting for legit reviews and Amd offerings to come.
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Feeling flush in 2010 - 3 gpus in a year!
 
KiNgPiN83 said:
It does make me laugh. Just buy the 30xx if you want it?!

I’ve seen loads moaning about not buying AMD because they haven’t launched the same day as Nvidia and they can’t wait 2 months to find out. I’m sure if AMD found out that Dave on ocuk can’t wait 2 months they’d happily destroy all their schedules and customer relations to bring it forward for him. It’s not like that’s a massive issue is it.... CoMe On AmD, YoUrE So BaD
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Its not about the launch its about the information for the consumer to make informed decisions. Buying a 30xx you do so blind to what AMD might release, waiting til end of Oct you are blind to what may or may not be available with AIB stock limited to the price gorged parts. Your assumption is having waited in November you'll have lots of choice but that is far from certain you could easily be waiting until next year for the part you want thats the reality.

Not sure why people find this so hard to grasp and see it as a launch problem, its not its missing information combined with availability and price gorging this is what you have to weigh up. Nvidia are no better btw they are masters of anti-consumer manipulation... AMD can fix this though IF they have a competative product performance wise if they haven't and have to rely on price drops then that does make more sense and how I choose to read it.
 
Jay85 said:
Yeah i went through a very weird period lol, i was obsessed with trying out new cards so got them for the sake of it most of the time.... It's been a very long time since i've delved into the realm of Radeon cards.

Gotta remember as well, cards were a lot cheaper back then. You could buy 2 5870's for the price of a 3080 today with change to spare!


Tbh no, except for 5870 sli being abit sketchy at times, i never had an issue with the drivers. Surprisingly everything worked flawlessly for me.
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I know right.. I have had both vendors and quite a few AMD cards on my home system and dont seem to get these driver issues. Maybe being a sysadmin/technician background helps. A chunk of these wont be AMD's fault even though the press points that way. You can also to have a neutral head visit the nvidia forums and see that they have the same issues, its not endemic to one.
 
I ping-pong back and forth between Red and Green as well. While we're at it, my personal-use card trajectory (not counting mobile cards, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few)...

Matrox G200
Trident something or other
Riva TNT 2
Geforce 256
Geforce Ti 4400
5700 Ultra (oh dear, oh dear)
Radeon 9700 Pro
Geforce 6800 vanilla-cum-GT SLI
Geforce GTX 7800 512mb
Radeon 1900 XTX CF
Geforce 8800 GTX SLI (paired with an EVGA "I love the smell of burnt Northbridge" i680)
HD 4870 CF
HD 5870 CF
Geforce GTX 480 Tri-SLI (aka Chernobyl ain't got nothin')
Geforce GTX 680 SLI
Geforce GTX 780 Ti (3GB, what were they thinking?)
R9 290-cum-290x Tri-CF
R9 295X2 (the last, great mGPU solution)
GTX 1080
GTX 1080 Ti
Vega 64 CF
GTX 2080
Radeon VII (sadly underrated)
GTX 1080 Ti SLI (mGPU, never again)
GTX 2080 Super
...?

Once again, I'll go with whomever offers the most performance per pound this round. Call me an curmudgeonly old-timer, but I'm squarely in the camp now that paying >£1000 for what amounts to a few-times-a-week gaming toy is bananas.
 
@harmattan thats a nice spread, certainly people will listen to your viewpoints! :)

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Oh and totally agree, my ceiling was under £400 a while back, cant believe its up this high but hey ho!

harmattan said:
Once again, I'll go with whomever offers the most performance per pound this round. Call me an curmudgeonly old-timer, but I'm squarely in the camp now that paying >£1000 for what amounts to a few-times-a-week gaming toy is bananas.
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Th0nt said:
@harmattan thats a nice spread, certainly people will listen to your viewpoints! :)

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Oh and totally agree, my ceiling was under £400 a while back, cant believe its up this high but hey ho!
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I've definitely slowed down on the ludicrosity since I've been in the UK (when I brought over a couple 295x2s). Easier convincing yourself on upgrading with the ~20% "discount" (more in the used market) you get in the US vs UK/EU.
 
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