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Matt Easton did a good video on it a little while ago, regarding weapons bans in general. He's mainly interested in swords, but the same principle applies to all weapons. The example he used was pets. Nobody needs a pet and pets cause a lot of harm. Quite a few people are killed by pets. A lot of environmental harm is caused by pets. But that was just the example he uses for a wider argument. I think he does a good job of a summary. The video is only 9 minutes long.

I am sympathetic to his points, and I don't believe in blanket weapons bans - although you can easily argue that nobody really needs a firearm, and I say that as someone who actually likes them.

However, the pets thing is just a terrible argument. I get where he's coming from, but the mental health benefits of pets are absolutely massive. I'm not sure you can make the same argument for a sword, aside from that it's one of your hobbies. Pets go far beyond that for most people.

That said, I do see his point and understand what he's getting at.
 
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As a member of a firearms club, there is just sooooo much ******** on this thread about gun clubs and gun ownership.

Its clear that most people in GD commenting there, have literally no idea what they are talking about yet feel they can tell other people. I have tried to stay out of this thread but given in because of the amount of sheer rubbish being posted.

Going through a few posts here about handguns, no you cannot legally own a handgun in the UK. If there are exceptions for ex military folk or police or whatever fine, I am not aware of those.

HOWEVER: You can legally own handguns that have been "converted" to be a minimum length, either by way of long barrel or some kind of stock (or a mix of both) and I myself have fired several of these.

If you were planning on doing something illegal, you could quite easily get one of these through the normal legal channels then convert it back to a normal handgun. One of the ones I fired, the stock was more or less a metal wire stock from the handgrip, on what is otherwise a completely normal pistol, I would image you could take of the stock in minutes with a hacksaw.

You can also legally own a black powder pistol (so no need for long barrel/stock) but you can only fire these once with a reasonably involved reload so wouldn't be any good if you went out on a killing spree.

You could also legally own pretty much any calbre rifle (including a .50 cal) as long as it cannot self load (EG gas propelled reloaded system/semi automatic) however lever action or bolt action rifle is perfectly fine. A very common calbre rifle on the UK is a .308 which will literally fire through plate steel up to a certain thickness. You can have a magazine fed rifle, so provided you can work the bolt fast enough, you could put out many rounds pretty quickly. Maybe google how many rounds a infantry could do witha bolt action rifle or similar, will give you an idea.

For a .22 calbre rifle you can have a self loading semi automatic rifle, one at the club has a 30 round magazine you can fire the lot off pretty quickly.

The rifles german solders used in world war 2 for example K98 would be perfectly legal to own in the UK, in fact a long term goal is to get one myself, all be it a replica or whatever.

I dont know anything about shotguns and/or how the licences work for these.

To get a gun legally in the UK you need to be a member of a gunclub really (with the exception of farmers and shotguns, but see above), which contrary to one post in this thread ISNT hard to do at all, most are very welcoming and generally looking for new members. You need to be a member for a certain length of time and attend a certain number of times as set out by the goverment/police regulations, then you can apply for a firearms licence. You need to have a secure place to store the guns, a good quality gun safe that is bolted to a proper wall, in an area in your house which is out of sight. The police also interview you prior and will almost certainly turn up at your house to make sure you are storing them correctly.

Most legal gun owners are very friendly, harmless people which are generally more law abiding then general public, because the police may revoke your licence for any crimes commited, INLCUDING if you get caught repeatidy speeding etc.

As a legal gun owner, you literally cannot use you gun to "defend your home" or similar, its basically the worst thing you can do, any criminal will simply rat you out, the police will take your gun, and they will come back knowing you dont have one next time. Its also generally a bad idea to tell anyone you have a gun for similar reasons.

Yes, you could go down the road of getting a gun legally, then go on a killing spree, its VERY rare, most gun crimes are commited by criminals who illegally have firearms. You can also go on a killing spree with a knife, car, hatchet, water pistol full of acid acid, or any number of common household items that are MUCH easier to get hold of then a firearm.
 
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As a member of a firearms club, there is just sooooo much ******** on this thread about gun clubs and gun ownership.

Its clear that most people in GD commenting there, have literally no idea what they are talking about yet feel they can tell other people. I have tried to stay out of this thread but given in because of the amount of sheer rubbish being posted.
Good luck, I (and others) have tried but nobody really seems to take much notice and some are even arguing against the facts *sigh*.
 
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Lol why not just bugger off to the 3rd world then?

Where they'd be Rich and well-educated and white?

Winners of the genetic lottery they claim is so important

But surely even an idiot can't see why someone with those views isn't attractive to women?

They basically want a combination fleshligjt/mother.
They certainly aren't helping themselves are they?

As a female, who has been in and out of mental health services since I was 12, I have been trapped in my own prison of destructive thoughts.

However it is the few people in these groups, who are actively encouraging other disaffected people to commit vile acts that has shocked me.

I've been doing a little bit of reading since Friday as it is a term I have not come across before and it really is eye opening.

It feels like a different world of thinking and one I was just not really aware of.
 
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They certainly aren't helping themselves are they?

As a female, who has been in and out of mental health services since I was 12, I have been trapped in my own prison of destructive thoughts.

However it is the few people in these groups, who are actively encouraging other disaffected people to commit vile acts that has shocked me.

I've been doing a little bit of reading since Friday as it is a term I have not come across before and it really is eye opening.

It feels like a different world of thinking and one I was just not really aware of.


As a male who's been in and put of mental health services and had a member of this forum turn up at 3am and take him to hospital nearly 10 years ago (won't name them unless asked, I honestly have never even messaged them to say thank you and that they gave me an entire new life as it's too embrasing) when everything went wrong. Things can get better and turn out good most people on here will help if you need it.


I hope things work out for you :)
 
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As a male who's been in and put of mental health services and had a member of this forum turn up at 3am and take him to hospital nearly 10 years ago (won't name them unless asked, I honestly have never even messaged them to say thank you and that they gave me an entire new life as it's too embrasing) when everything went wrong. Things can get better and turn out good most people on here will help if you need it.


I hope things work out for you :)

Im really glad someone did that for you, congrats on the new life. I can assure you it’s nothing to be embarrassed about.
 
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The rifles german solders used in world war 2 for example K98 would be perfectly legal to own in the UK, in fact a long term goal is to get one myself, all be it a replica or whatever.

This is largely the long and short of my interest in firearms - for some reason, especially the WW2 era ones, fascinate me - I wouldn't mind owning authentic examples of the Thompson 1928a1 or FG-42 for some reason certain wood and metal combination firearms I find really interesting visually.

Unfortunately there are some people though that equate having any interest in firearms as being just another mass shooter in waiting and you can't possibly have any other interest in firearms except to want to kill things and you can never change their mind.
 
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This is largely the long and short of my interest in firearms - for some reason, especially the WW2 era ones, fascinate me - I wouldn't mind owning authentic examples of the Thompson 1928a1 or FG-42 for some reason certain wood and metal combination firearms I find really interesting visually.

Unfortunately there are some people though that equate having any interest in firearms as being just another mass shooter in waiting and you can't possibly have any other interest in firearms except to want to kill things and you can never change their mind.
You could get a deactivated one if you're just interested in something to look at.
 
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As a member of a firearms club, there is just sooooo much ******** on this thread about gun clubs and gun ownership.

Its clear that most people in GD commenting there, have literally no idea what they are talking about yet feel they can tell other people. I have tried to stay out of this thread but given in because of the amount of sheer rubbish being posted.

Going through a few posts here about handguns, no you cannot legally own a handgun in the UK. If there are exceptions for ex military folk or police or whatever fine, I am not aware of those.

HOWEVER: You can legally own handguns that have been "converted" to be a minimum length, either by way of long barrel or some kind of stock (or a mix of both) and I myself have fired several of these.

If you were planning on doing something illegal, you could quite easily get one of these through the normal legal channels then convert it back to a normal handgun. One of the ones I fired, the stock was more or less a metal wire stock from the handgrip, on what is otherwise a completely normal pistol, I would image you could take of the stock in minutes with a hacksaw.

You can also legally own a black powder pistol (so no need for long barrel/stock) but you can only fire these once with a reasonably involved reload so wouldn't be any good if you went out on a killing spree.

You could also legally own pretty much any calbre rifle (including a .50 cal) as long as it cannot self load (EG gas propelled reloaded system/semi automatic) however lever action or bolt action rifle is perfectly fine. A very common calbre rifle on the UK is a .308 which will literally fire through plate steel up to a certain thickness. You can have a magazine fed rifle, so provided you can work the bolt fast enough, you could put out many rounds pretty quickly. Maybe google how many rounds a infantry could do witha bolt action rifle or similar, will give you an idea.

For a .22 calbre rifle you can have a self loading semi automatic rifle, one at the club has a 30 round magazine you can fire the lot off pretty quickly.

The rifles german solders used in world war 2 for example K98 would be perfectly legal to own in the UK, in fact a long term goal is to get one myself, all be it a replica or whatever.

I dont know anything about shotguns and/or how the licences work for these.

To get a gun legally in the UK you need to be a member of a gunclub really (with the exception of farmers and shotguns, but see above), which contrary to one post in this thread ISNT hard to do at all, most are very welcoming and generally looking for new members. You need to be a member for a certain length of time and attend a certain number of times as set out by the goverment/police regulations, then you can apply for a firearms licence. You need to have a secure place to store the guns, a good quality gun safe that is bolted to a proper wall, in an area in your house which is out of sight. The police also interview you prior and will almost certainly turn up at your house to make sure you are storing them correctly.

Most legal gun owners are very friendly, harmless people which are generally more law abiding then general public, because the police may revoke your licence for any crimes commited, INLCUDING if you get caught repeatidy speeding etc.

As a legal gun owner, you literally cannot use you gun to "defend your home" or similar, its basically the worst thing you can do, any criminal will simply rat you out, the police will take your gun, and they will come back knowing you dont have one next time. Its also generally a bad idea to tell anyone you have a gun for similar reasons.

Yes, you could go down the road of getting a gun legally, then go on a killing spree, its VERY rare, most gun crimes are commited by criminals who illegally have firearms. You can also go on a killing spree with a knife, car, hatchet, water pistol full of acid acid, or any number of common household items that are MUCH easier to get hold of then a firearm.

Reading this I am going to take on board that you have forgot NI is part of the UK. We can legally own handguns of any kind here and legally store them at home. You can also request that you can carry a handgun with you at all times based on personal protection. But these are rare and are limited to PSNI officers, Army, Ex Army, Protection officers and people who have death treats from the likes of the IRA etc.
 
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You could get a deactivated one if you're just interested in something to look at.

Yes though that is kind of like driving a car with a **** engine and synthetic V8 sounds from the speakers if you can't shoot it. Albeit I'm not sure I'd put that interest above lives but that is another matter.
 
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Involuntary celibacy? How entitled can you get?

Labour Party - Involuntary opposition
Lawrence Fox - Involuntary joke
Lost your shoes? Involuntary barefoot

:p

They are indeed entitled, that’s one if their biggest problems.

They feel entitled to a woman, and often, not just any woman, but an attractive one. Warped by porn, they have conditioned their brain into believing they are entitled to a porn star esq level woman. Mean while, they themselves offer very little in regards to looks or other redeeming features, so how they expect to get what men who are in the top tier who sleep with the top tier attractive women, I do not know.

It’s basic red pill stuff vs black pill.
 
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A slightly contrary view to the perpetrators motivations here at UnHerd.com .

For me it's another example of how easily we wish to label something and weaponise it politically.
So the situation is more complex than it seems. Who would have known. /s

Looks like some posters were too quick to jump to conclusions. Probably because they just wanted to insult the shooter as is par for the course in such discussions

Interesting read I wonder what changed in those final days before his last reddit post because there is a difference in tone.
 
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As a male who's been in and put of mental health services and had a member of this forum turn up at 3am and take him to hospital nearly 10 years ago (won't name them unless asked, I honestly have never even messaged them to say thank you and that they gave me an entire new life as it's too embrasing) when everything went wrong. Things can get better and turn out good most people on here will help if you need it.


I hope things work out for you :)
Thank you for your reply and kind words and I wish you all the best too.

I'm really glad things are so much better for you and I'm sure they know how much they helped you.

It's good to know your feelings towards this forum are so positive too.

:)
 
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This is largely the long and short of my interest in firearms - for some reason, especially the WW2 era ones, fascinate me - I wouldn't mind owning authentic examples of the Thompson 1928a1 or FG-42 for some reason certain wood and metal combination firearms I find really interesting visually.
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I'm not sure you could, they are both automatic?

But yea, I'd love to get a K98, Mauser bolt action. Not a genuine authentic WW2 one though, you are probably looking at 20 grand for something like that (I literally have no idea) but I'm sure plenty of copies have been made over the years.

I can't remember exactly what it was, several years ago now mate had a .308 rifle that had originally come from some conflict in South East Asia somewhere, had regular sights then had a jungle combat sight that you could pop up, which was just a round ring, a bit like a blunderbuss or something, obviously completely useless for aiming at anything other than maybe 20 feet in front of you.

Thing kicked really hard, and solid wooden stock, even after 10 rounds of that you felt like you got your fill in lol, and a sore shoulder.

Going out shooting tonight, covid has been a right pain with this as I go to an indoor range, but hopefully things are going back to normal now and looking forward to it.

Edit: maybe cheaper than I thought!

https://www.gunstar.co.uk/mauser-k98-bolt-action-8x57-js-rifles/rifles/1310955

Wonder if it's battered or doesn't work well seems pretty cheap.
 
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