They always can if punishments are given after the race. It's in the rules.
Poll: Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2021, Yas Island - Race 22
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They always can if punishments are given after the race. It's in the rules.
Soldato
For what?
Soldato
He was asked before the race if he'd red flag it though if a car crashed at that turn though (T14?) he said no it would be a safety car.
I just dont get why he couldn't just stick by the rules though. lewis was obviously the deserved winner of this race and Red Bull only made those pit stops as they were desperate and had nothing left to lose whatsoever by doing so. They probably knew full well the race would finish under the safety car, or that Max would have loads of backmarkers to unlap on the restart for probably 1, maybe 2 laps, but what did they have to lose? They were going to lose anyway.
Masi's made up rule just completely handed Max the race win.
For the Max overtaking incident? Surprised if they get that
The other incident has nothing to do with RB and entirely Masi.
The fact that Sainz wasn't even afforded the same courtesy to challenge from third says it all.
Man of Honour
VAR is a system in which errors in rule judgement are corrected. Too bad we don't have it here or Hamilton would be 8 time WDC.
Soldato
So the rule that Masi ‘broke’ isn’t really covered. The rule says
‘"If clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams, any cars that have been lapped by leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car."
Those words never appeared on the official messaging system so the rest of the rule is the ignored.
Now they need to decided if there is a rule that allows for only x amount of cars to pass under the safety car.
‘"If clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams, any cars that have been lapped by leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car."
Those words never appeared on the official messaging system so the rest of the rule is the ignored.
Now they need to decided if there is a rule that allows for only x amount of cars to pass under the safety car.
Caporegime
Yeah, you are probably right.
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This is where I dont know what power the race director has or not.
Soldato
What a season finish! Best season in F1 for decades. MAX MAX MAX SUPER MAX! Sick of Toto and Hamilton's childish complaints all the time as soon as something doesn't go their way. Finally, they have to step down and accept reality.
The problem is, there is no rule that says just a select few cars can unlap themselves, because that would obviously be a totally ridiculous and unfair rule as it would advantage some cars and disadvantage others.
Childish? Lol have you ever heard Karen Horner?
With the bolded bit, other cars pitted too at that point iirc, so again, I don't think it was as obvious as you are making it sound.
But yea, I'm not arguing what he did didn't influence the outcome it certainly did!
Soldato
Well if there had been a full race he could have potentially had more points and been further ahead in the championship. You could argue he was hard done by that race.
Man of Honour
Actually funny, this level of irony.
In doing so though, would have sacrificed track position to Max.
At the end of the race especially, that's basically throwing the race away, Max would have stayed out and then it's up to the individual whether they think Masi would have pulled the same stunt to give Lewis a one lap run at Max with a huge tyre advantage.
Mercedes made the only logical choice at the time.
The VSC was similar they'd have given up track position and be forced to try to overtake a Max with 'nothing to lose'.
You missed the big “ANY CARS that have been lapped by leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car“ not just the ones that make it easier for max to overtake on the restart
Soldato
but the rule Merc are appealing doesn’t apply as that message didn’t go out. So nobody can say that rule wasn’t followed.
Is there a rule forbidding an amount of lapped cars unlapping themselves?
Well, yes those with likely nothing to lose either.
Ultimately Merc made the correct decision under the actual rules of F1. if the rules can just be made up on the fly, how can anyone ever make a strategy call anymore?
Soldato
Ah yes, forgot, UK forums. Toto begging Masi at the end was the cherry on the cake for me.
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