PC Gamer: RX 6500 XT looks worse on paper than AMD's $199 GPU from six years ago

[humbug]

Ok, got this 6500xt installed in the system below and just did a quick run of Heaven benchie at the settings also below:
system:
Intel i3 10100 4c/8t
16gb (2 x 8) ddr4 2666mhz memory
Gigabyte B510M H Mobo (running pcie Gen 3)

Heaven settings:
1080p
2 x AA
tessallation normal
high quality

and got: 2957 score, 117 fps. now this seems a bit high to me, so I might be doing summat wrong so I'm gonna try 3dmark and unigine Valley and see what I get with those.

A score of 3,000 seems about right to me, i would expect it to score about half that of a stock 2070 Super, you're slightly over that, i don't think its as bad as some reviewers want you to believe it is, i also think its the last $200 GPU we will ever see, i think due to the way things are now it is very difficult to make $200 GPU's and the message they are getting is if you try reviewers are not going to like the results and hate you for it.

 

[pieman109]

do some DX12 benches

Heres a run of 3dmark "night raid" (for mobile gpus though)

graphics...62627
cpu..........8763
score.......32584

Thats all the benching I'm going to do as I don't really have the time now.

 

[Ross Thomson]

just remember than a a lot of those benchmark scores are dependant on the CPU as well.


Stock 5600XT
Stock ryzen 1700

Score 3216
FPS 127.7
max 243.6
min 9.3

 

[Alan McFall]

ok:
Heaven, x8 AA, ultra quality, extreme tessallation, 1080p........57.4fps...

Paid £460 for 3060Ti, for £ per fps comparison.

CPU is Curve optimised, no PBO.

 

[StarShock]

Which 3060ti did you get?

 

[pieman109]

What are the chances of getting a 3060ti for that kind of money now? Also, its hardly like for like is it. I had an rx6800 a while back, cost me £625 from Ocuk late last year and that'll also beat an rx6500xt, try picking up one of those for that kind of money.

Oh and don't forget, the testing was done on pcie gen 3, not 4

 

[Alan McFall]

Which 3060ti did you get?

Zotac twin edge.

 

[humbug]

Paid £460 for 3060Ti, for £ per fps comparison.

CPU is Curve optimised, no PBO.

Kinda puts it in to perspective, your performance is in this at least is 22% higher.

Your cost per frame is £3.20

Pieman's cost per frame is £1.70 (Assuming £200 cost)

Mine is £2.10 (Cost £480)

Edit: seems kinds low for a 3060TI.
Edit 2: you're running higher settings....

 

[Alan McFall]

What are the chances of getting a 3060ti for that kind of money now? Also, its hardly like for like is it. I had an rx6800 a while back, cost me £625 from Ocuk late last year and that'll also beat an rx6500xt, try picking up one of those for that kind of money.

Oh and don't forget, the testing was done on pcie gen 3, not 4

To what end are you dismissing the results and comparison ? Would you really rather use scalper prices as a yard stick instead of the MSRP from which we can draw 20+ years of historical pricing data ?

 

[humbug]

NVM ^^^^ i had not realised he ran it again with higher settings.

I can do the cost per frame again if instrested...

 

[Alan McFall]

Kinda puts it in to perspective, your performance is in this at least is 22% higher.

Your cost per frame is £3.20

Pieman's cost per frame is £1.70 (Assuming £200 cost)

Mine is £2.10 (Cost £480)

Edit: seems kinds low for a 3060TI.
Edit 2: you're running higher settings....

^^^ You noticed

 

[humbug]

I did ^^^^

I was wondering how the 3060TI stacks up against my trusty old 2070 Super.

I'm quietly pleased with this, its not overclocked.

 

[pieman109]

To what end are you dismissing the results and comparison ? Would you really rather use scalper prices as a yard stick instead of the MSRP from which we can draw 20+ years of historical pricing data ?

That was then, this is now. the whole landscape of gpus has radically changed over the past two years and I personally reckon its not going to return to anything resembling what it was back then. So, how can you compare a card thats obviously faster and better all round to one that is basically a dog! And you've got to look at the today type prices, not what people get hold of them for some time ago. the price you'd pay for a 3060ti is roughly £750 not £460.
At least compare with summat like a 1650/super, 5500xt, etc of a similar tier

 

[Alan McFall]

I did ^^^^

I was wondering how the 3060TI stacks up against my trusty old 2070 Super.

I'm quietly pleased with this, its not overclocked.

Not far off at all, do you have PBO on ?

http://www.hardwarepal.com/gpu-performance-cost-per-fps/

 

[humbug]

Not far off at all, do you have PBO on ?

http://www.hardwarepal.com/gpu-performance-cost-per-fps/

Yes, Negative 10 Curve +150Mhz

GPU is stock.

Your Cost per-frame is £3.20

Mine is £3.60 (£480 GPU)

GPU Lookup https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/msi-rtx-2070-super-gaming-x.b7142

 

[Alan McFall]

That was then, this is now. the whole landscape of gpus has radically changed over the past two years and I personally reckon its not going to return to anything resembling what it was back then. So, how can you compare a card thats obviously faster and better all round to one that is basically a dog! And you've got to look at the today type prices, not what people get hold of them for some time ago. the price you'd pay for a 3060ti is roughly £750 not £460.
At least compare with summat like a 1650/super, 5500xt, etc of a similar tier

I disagree, the current market is a blip in the road imo, things will go back to normal this year. Yes the cards will cost more due to inflation and added VAT but the logistics (shipping etc) and supply will normalise.. the price will not be double.

Pandemic is over.

 

[Alan McFall]

Yes, Negative 10 Curve +150Mhz

GPU is stock.

Your Cost per-frame is £3.20

Mine is £3.60 (£480 GPU)

GPU Lookup https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/msi-rtx-2070-super-gaming-x.b7142

I wonder how it looks if you compare the 6500XT to the 5600XT.. I'd guess about 10-20% performance regression depending on the game

 

[Curlyriff]

I disagree, the current market is a blip in the road imo, things will go back to normal this year. Yes the cards will cost more due to inflation and added VAT but the logistics (shipping etc) and supply will normalise.. the price will not be double.

Pandemic is over.

I don't think we are seeing that. We've just been told that there is 20% price hike in TSMC chip costs. And you should certainly be looking at price you can purchase now when doing comparisons of price to performance if you was trying to buy a card unless you've got a time machine to prepurchase accordingly.

 

[humbug]

I wonder how it looks if you compare the 6500XT to the 5600XT.. I'd guess about 10-20% performance regression depending on the game

Yeah, the RX 5500XT is 4% faster https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-radeon-rx-6500-xt-tuf-gaming/31.html

Used RX 5500XT is £300.

Given the current situation i still don't think its bad, what else can you get these days for £200?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I don't think we are seeing that. We've just been told that there is 20% price hike in TSMC chip costs. And you should certainly be looking at price you can purchase now when doing comparisons of price to performance if you was trying to buy a card unless you've got a time machine to prepurchase accordingly.

Yet despite the high pricing for the individual dGPUs,I have had no issues sourcing entire laptops/desktops with RTX3060/RTX3060TI/RX6600/RX6600XT dGPUs at reasonable prices. The reality even if prices have gone up,they have gone up most for people wanting to buy these as individual parts. This is why increasing buying a whole system makes more sense then building one yourself(and some of these companies allow you to choose the parts too).