Are EV’s really the way to go?

Done some studies on hydrogen, completely uneconomical and not very green unless you use green hydrogen. And to make enough green hydrogen to power all your road user needs would need a ridiculous amount of generation.
 
People are just obsessed with the idea of queuing up to pay through the nose to pump chemicals into a tank, hydrogen is wish fulfillment for them.
 
Absolutely - many people don’t like or are afraid of change even when it’s an improvement! The result is that they look for reasons and excuses not to change.

Example is when asked “how long does it take to charge” (whilst looking at the charger in the driveway). Answered “5 seconds to plug in and 5 seconds to unplug in the morning” …. “But how long does it take..”

It’s a small but important mindset change
 
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Exactly. In 11,000 miles I bet I haven't even waited an hour total to charge my car, I'd have definitely spent more time in petrol stations over that time with an ICE car.
 
chanjy said:
Done some studies on hydrogen, completely uneconomical and not very green unless you use green hydrogen. And to make enough green hydrogen to power all your road user needs would need a ridiculous amount of generation.
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It's still being worked on, quite extensively. At my work we have a hydrogen station which is free for anyone to use, they're giving away the hydrogen produced from their research.
 
As already mentioned- green hydrogen (not dirty hydrogen) is critical to net zero but we can’t waste it in cars when BEVs tick all the boxes and more.

Green hydrogen can only be produced from green electricity. A hydrogen fuel cell EV needs 3x more green electricity to travel the same distance as a BEV. Hydrogen combustion is even less efficient than that and not zero emission.

There is a huge vested interest from the fossil fuel industry and others to keep people hooked on the idea of hydrogen for cars. This is a win-win for the fossil fuel companies as you “wait for hydrogen” and carry on buying their petrol in the meantime, then in the future they can say “there is not enough green hydrogen so buy some of our dirty hydrogen made from fossil fuels”.

They also have huge amounts of money invested in a world based on liquid fuels and “going somewhere to fill up”. (However they can easily transition their filling stations to rapid charging stations, focus a bit more on the retail side and continue generating money from those sites).
 
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blun said:
They also have huge amounts of money invested in a world based on liquid fuels and “going somewhere to fill up”. (However they can easily transition their filling stations to rapid charging stations, focus a bit more on the retail side and continue generating money from those sites).
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A very decent chunk of turnover already comes from non fuel income :)

Diddums said:
It's still being worked on, quite extensively. At my work we have a hydrogen station which is free for anyone to use, they're giving away the hydrogen produced from their research.
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I’d love to know how you take this hydrogen away with you lol
 
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In a Toyota Murai. Saturday nights we always get loads of Ubers coming to fill up.
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Correct me if I’ wrong but this isn’t green hydrogen is it?

Risky relying on free H2 from a research centre as if they have to pay for it, it costs more than Diesel! And only 7 working pumps in the whole of the UK outside of London (and 5 pumps in London)
 
blun said:
Correct me if I’ wrong but this isn’t green hydrogen is it?

Risky relying on free H2 from a research centre as if they have to pay for it, it costs more than Diesel! And only 7 working pumps in the whole of the UK outside of London (and 5 pumps in London)
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I've no idea tbh, here's the page:

www.npl.co.uk

Hydrogen refuelling station

NPL is the UK’s National Metrology Institute, providing the measurement capability that underpins the UK’s prosperity and quality of life.
www.npl.co.uk www.npl.co.uk

(it doesn't mention the free hydrogen as it's obviously a research facility that needs signing up, hence why only Uber have access to it, but anyone can sign up)
 
Looks like it’s dirty hydrogen (most today is) EDIT: it’s green hydrogen

I expect there is a formal arrangement in place between Uber and the drivers will have been given the cars for free / small fee for participating in their experiment.
 
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egh article says electrolysis so not surprisingly it's green - you'd have greta and the anti-oil boys at your door otherwise.
The equipment to be installed complies with stringent EU safety codes and standards. Hydrogen will be generated by electrolysis of water and stored in tanks for dispensing to fuel cell vehicles
 
Ah my mistake - thank goodness as the many “non-green” hydrogen options emit more CO2/mile than petrol/diesel.
 
continuing my comment on ICE versus (Hydrogen) FCEV daddy or chips
these folks reckon a green fuel cell ev and ev have similar lifetime carbon footprints qed

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Emissions priced parking - interesting. Seems common place in some cities now.
The CO2 banding is shown to customers when they add their registration into the pay machine.


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It's more normal than you think in central London, I think in Westminster you only have to pay for the first 10 mins for an EV and you can leave it for 4 hours and older (pre-2015?) diesels have to pay an additional surcharge (50%?) on top of the usual rates.
 
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