New pc

[rchads89]

Evening all looking to buy a decent high end build wanting this build to last at least 5 years

12900ks
Asus rog max hero z690
32gb Corsair dominator 5600 ram cas36???
3080ti evga
2tb Samsung 980
Corsair hydro h150i elite 360 cooler
1000w gold Corsair power supply
Corsair 5000x case.


I’ve read about memory problems on the ddr5 would that memory be ok and would the overall build last 5 years before upgrading again?

I’m fully aware am5 is round the corner and probably next generation graphic cards? But the pc tech moves that quick never really seems to be a good time to buy in or upgrade.

Thanks

 

[Tetras]

What are you upgrading from? Do you already have a graphics card?

Is this gaming only?

Instead of trying to get it to last 5 years, my suggestion would be spend more like half what you plan on the motherboard, memory and CPU (e.g. 32GB DDR4, MSI Z690-A, 12700) and bank the rest for a future upgrade of the whole lot.

Re-use graphics card if you have one, then buy a new one when they come out.

 

[rchads89]

What are you upgrading from? Do you already have a graphics card?

Is this gaming only?

Instead of trying to get it to last 5 years, my suggestion would be spend more like half what you plan on the motherboard, memory and CPU (e.g. 32GB DDR4, MSI Z690-A, 12700) and bank the rest for a future upgrade of the whole lot.

Re-use graphics card if you have one, then buy a new one when they come out.

I don’t have a pc currently sold it couple years ago had a good build regret selling it. Sounds a good option but looking to purchase now really and want what’s best to last me they is always a upgrade or new components coming out for pcs never a good time to buy in or upgrade

 

[Tetras]

I don’t have a pc currently sold it couple years ago had a good build regret selling it. Sounds a good option but looking to purchase now really and want what’s best to last me they is always a upgrade or new components coming out for pcs never a good time to buy in or upgrade

Ahh, I see. That's a shame. Well, I'd still suggest you buy something like I suggested because in games you'll get nearly the same performance and the prices are something like:

12900KS v 12700: £600 v £350
Z690 Hero v Z690-A: £530 v £160
32GB DDR5 v 32GB DDR4: £200 v £100

Total: 1330 v 610.

Realistically, the 12700 should last you just as long in games, before it needs replacing, but you'll have £600 odd left over to do it.

About the graphics cards: it isn't ideal to buy this late into the cycle, but if needs must.

 

[StarShock]

As above, but chuck in £250 on a bgrade 6600 that will do the job for 6 months and can you flip at the end of the year for most of what you've paid. And you'll have enough left over to buy a next gen card that will likely destroy the 3080 ti. Just be sure to get a beefy psu.

 

[rchads89]

Never a right time to buy pc stuff committed to buying the above just wanting to know if the ram is ok and everything fits in place for the build. I’d say that would last me 5 years from when I buy it!

 

[Tetras]

just wanting to know if the ram is ok

Is this the memory?
CMT32GX5M2X5600C36

If so, it appears to be in the QVL (label of the memory they tested: Ver 4.43.02)

Short of crawling through reddit or user reviews, that's probably the best guarantee you'll get.

There's also an Asus thread here where the poster ran 1 kit successfully (not 2, but you're not buying 2 kits, right?).

 

[JollyJamma]

Ahh, I see. That's a shame. Well, I'd still suggest you buy something like I suggested because in games you'll get nearly the same performance and the prices are something like:

12900KS v 12700: £600 v £350
Z690 Hero v Z690-A: £530 v £160
32GB DDR5 v 32GB DDR4: £200 v £100

Total: 1330 v 610.

Realistically, the 12700 should last you just as long in games, before it needs replacing, but you'll have £600 odd left over to do it.

About the graphics cards: it isn't ideal to buy this late into the cycle, but if needs must.

Have to agree with this.

Even in 5 years time, DDR4 is going to be fine.

I don’t mind if you have to have a new PC right now OP. Sometimes you just have to pull the trigger

 

[Craig_d1]

Never a right time to buy pc stuff committed to buying the above just wanting to know if the ram is ok and everything fits in place for the build. I’d say that would last me 5 years from when I buy it!

True to a degree...buying budget wont make a difference, but buying premium expensive will....the 3080ti gpu for instance is good, but it based on 2yrs old tech...the new gpu's(AMD's at least) are launching on Sep 15th, and being a completely new generation are meant to be a big step up.
Paying £720 for the 12900ks wont make much of a difference to £259 for the 12600k. Modern games are all GPU bound at higher resolutions.
Regarding mobo, I get to an extent buying a DDR5 board now. 13th gen mobo all meant to be DDR5, AM5 boards will be DDR5, so move across will accelerate, but unless you're into massive overclocking trying to eek out every last drop of performance for posting on tables etc, then board is overkill. The asus gaming f or MSI carbon/force in the £300/£350 area are still top boards with more than enough juice to run any CPU. Some of these boards you can get on offer with 16gb DDR5 thrown in for free.
Reason for that is current gen DDR5 doesnt have great latency, so for gaming doesn't offer any real benefit over DDR4. Newer ram was announced back in May of 5600C28, which will impact gaming. Am guessing this is being produced and stock held back to coincide with new release of AM5 and raptorlake. Neither company wants to be in a position of selling their new platforms of DDR5 only boards with no ram availability like the alderlake launch (which was mitigated by the fact you could get DDR4 boards)

No doubt your PC will be great and will last, but in 3 months you'll be spending the same cash for a lot more performance (if you happy at that price point) or a lot less for similar performance.

Regarding case, I'd take out the side deflector and add another 3 intake fans..get a decent amount of airflow and keeps everything nice and cool, which you'll want with a 12900ks in there

 

[rchads89]

Is this the memory?
CMT32GX5M2X5600C36

If so, it appears to be in the QVL (label of the memory they tested: Ver 4.43.02)

Short of crawling through reddit or user reviews, that's probably the best guarantee you'll get.

There's also an Asus thread here where the poster ran 1 kit successfully (not 2, but you're not buying 2 kits, right?).

CMT32GX5M2X5600C36
PC5-44800 (5600)
X2 16gb

Is that kind of the sweet spot for this combo? I’ve seen the nightmare online about DDR5 and this socket lol. Thanks

 

[rchads89]

True to a degree...buying budget wont make a difference, but buying premium expensive will....the 3080ti gpu for instance is good, but it based on 2yrs old tech...the new gpu's(AMD's at least) are launching on Sep 15th, and being a completely new generation are meant to be a big step up.
Paying £720 for the 12900ks wont make much of a difference to £259 for the 12600k. Modern games are all GPU bound at higher resolutions.
Regarding mobo, I get to an extent buying a DDR5 board now. 13th gen mobo all meant to be DDR5, AM5 boards will be DDR5, so move across will accelerate, but unless you're into massive overclocking trying to eek out every last drop of performance for posting on tables etc, then board is overkill. The asus gaming f or MSI carbon/force in the £300/£350 area are still top boards with more than enough juice to run any CPU. Some of these boards you can get on offer with 16gb DDR5 thrown in for free.
Reason for that is current gen DDR5 doesnt have great latency, so for gaming doesn't offer any real benefit over DDR4. Newer ram was announced back in May of 5600C28, which will impact gaming. Am guessing this is being produced and stock held back to coincide with new release of AM5 and raptorlake. Neither company wants to be in a position of selling their new platforms of DDR5 only boards with no ram availability like the alderlake launch (which was mitigated by the fact you could get DDR4 boards)

No doubt your PC will be great and will last, but in 3 months you'll be spending the same cash for a lot more performance (if you happy at that price point) or a lot less for similar performance.

Regarding case, I'd take out the side deflector and add another 3 intake fans..get a decent amount of airflow and keeps everything nice and cool, which you'll want with a 12900ks in there

I will overclock eventually but not straight away probably in 2-3 years time as the cpu is getting on abit will look into overclocking to squeeze abit more out of to last me that bit longer. I just don’t want to be messing around on a upgrade itch all the time so if I can get the best I can afford at the time of purchasing it will do until I go again on a next build.

In the past was in such a bad habit of getting the new CPUs and gpus as soon as they landed because they was slightly better it got to a stage it was not heathy and getting massively out of hand

 

[Tetras]

I will overclock eventually but not straight away probably in 2-3 years time as the cpu is getting on abit will look into overclocking to squeeze abit more out of to last me that bit longer. I just don’t want to be messing around on a upgrade itch all the time so if I can get the best I can afford at the time of purchasing it will do until I go again on a next build.

In the past was in such a bad habit of getting the new CPUs and gpus as soon as they landed because they was slightly better it got to a stage it was not heathy and getting massively out of hand

Completely understandable, but the way I see it, you're just spending the extra money upfront instead of in a few years time here.

You're not getting better value money, or future proofing by buying the best you can afford, because premium parts always have a premium price. The system I suggested gives you practically identical performance at higher resolutions (it has 8 P cores, the same as the 12900KS) and costs less than half as much. If you were getting a lower-end system like a i3-12100 (4 P cores) or i5-12400 (6 P cores), then it would definitely be a stronger argument that penny pinching may cost you more over the long-run, but once you're looking into buying an i7 (or the i5 K), you've basically maxed out gaming performance for that generation. 8 fast P cores will be enough for a very long time and when they're not, the 12900KS will be too slow too.

The i9 CPUs just don't make sense from a value perspective, they haven't since 11th gen. You do get 4 extra E cores on an i9 (versus the i7), which can help with productivity apps, but they do next to nothing for games.

In raw terms, TPU has the performance as follows:
1440p
12700K is 1.9% slower
12600K is 3.1% slower
12400 is 8.6% slower
12100 12.1% slower

4K
12700K is 0.6% slower
12600K is 0.6% slower
12400 is 1.2% slower
12100 is 2% slower

It made more sense to buy premium parts in the Intel stagnation era, but CPUs are moving on really fast at the moment and buying a new system in 4-5 years is likely to be the most economical option.

CMT32GX5M2X5600C36
PC5-44800 (5600)
X2 16gb

Is that kind of the sweet spot for this combo? I’ve seen the nightmare online about DDR5 and this socket lol. Thanks

The sweet spot is DDR4-3200, tbh Have a watch (note how small the differences are at 1440p): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU_w9fZvSso

 

[rchads89]

Completely understandable, but the way I see it, you're just spending the extra money upfront instead of in a few years time here.

You're not getting better value money, or future proofing by buying the best you can afford, because premium parts always have a premium price. The system I suggested gives you practically identical performance at higher resolutions (it has 8 P cores, the same as the 12900KS) and costs less than half as much. If you were getting a lower-end system like a i3-12100 (4 P cores) or i5-12400 (6 P cores), then it would definitely be a stronger argument that penny pinching may cost you more over the long-run, but once you're looking into buying an i7 (or the i5 K), you've basically maxed out gaming performance for that generation. 8 fast P cores will be enough for a very long time and when they're not, the 12900KS will be too slow too.

The i9 CPUs just don't make sense from a value perspective, they haven't since 11th gen. You do get 4 extra E cores on an i9 (versus the i7), which can help with productivity apps, but they do next to nothing for games.

In raw terms, TPU has the performance as follows:
1440p
12700K is 1.9% slower
12600K is 3.1% slower
12400 is 8.6% slower
12100 12.1% slower

4K
12700K is 0.6% slower
12600K is 0.6% slower
12400 is 1.2% slower
12100 is 2% slower

It made more sense to buy premium parts in the Intel stagnation era, but CPUs are moving on really fast at the moment and buying a new system in 4-5 years is likely to be the most economical option.



The sweet spot is DDR4-3200, tbh Have a watch (note how small the differences are at 1440p): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU_w9fZvSso

Thanks I will look into it more further I was looking at gaming at 1080p 165hz and thought the system above even with new games coming up will run that res and refresh rate for some time on medium / high settings

 

[Tetras]

Thanks I will look into it more further I was looking at gaming at 1080p 165hz and thought the system above even with new games coming up will run that res and refresh rate for some time on medium / high settings

Aha, I assumed with the 3080 Ti purchase that you were playing at 1440p or 4K. The 1080p results may show more differences between them (like Cyberpunk @ 10:00 in the DDR4/DDR5 video).

The 1080p results show a bigger drop off with the 12100 and 12400, I think primarily because they're clocked a lot slower than the 12600K, 12700K and 12900KS:

12700K is 2.4% slower
12600K is 4.5% slower
12400 is 12.1% slower
12100 is 16.8% slower

 

[rchads89]

Aha, I assumed with the 3080 Ti purchase that you were playing at 1440p or 4K. The 1080p results may show more differences between them (like Cyberpunk @ 10:00 in the DDR4/DDR5 video).

The 1080p results show a bigger drop off with the 12100 and 12400, I think primarily because they're clocked a lot slower than the 12600K, 12700K and 12900KS:

12700K is 2.4% slower
12600K is 4.5% slower
12400 is 12.1% slower
12100 is 16.8% slower

Was going to get a 1440p monitor but think I’ll stick with 1080p 165 I’m happy gaming at 1080p to be honest

I don’t know what to do now pc stuff moves way to fast you never really get your money back and what ever you buy it’s out of date quick either way! It’s not like console generations lol.

 

[rchads89]

double post

 

[Tetras]

Was going to get a 1440p monitor but think I’ll stick with 1080p 165 I’m happy gaming at 1080p to be honest

I don’t know what to do now pc stuff moves way to fast you never really get your money back and what ever you buy it’s out of date quick either way! It’s not like console generations lol.

Playing at 1440p or 4K makes it a fair bit simpler to choose, because it pushes the bottleneck to the GPU in the vast majority of games, so you can just buy the latest (12th gen) i5 or i7 CPU and you're good.

High refresh gaming at low resolutions has always been trickier, because you need more performance on the CPU/memory side.

What I would do (with how fast technology is moving) is just to accept that it will age and go for the best value right now and expect to replace it in 3-4 years. That will likely come around sooner for the CPU at 1080p/165, whereas at 1440p or 4K, it would be the graphics card.

Typically the i5 K is the best option for high refresh gaming at low resolutions, because it comes with 6 fast cores that run at high clocks, with the option of overclocking if needs be. I'd want to pay more like £250 for one though, not £300.

 

[Craig_d1]

Playing at 1440p or 4K makes it a fair bit simpler to choose, because it pushes the bottleneck to the GPU in the vast majority of games, so you can just buy the latest (12th gen) i5 or i7 CPU and you're good.

High refresh gaming at low resolutions has always been trickier, because you need more performance on the CPU/memory side.

What I would do (with how fast technology is moving) is just to accept that it will age and go for the best value right now and expect to replace it in 3-4 years. That will likely come around sooner for the CPU at 1080p/165, whereas at 1440p or 4K, it would be the graphics card.

Typically the i5 K is the best option for high refresh gaming at low resolutions, because it comes with 6 fast cores that run at high clocks, with the option of overclocking if needs be. I'd want to pay more like £250 for one though, not £300.

12600k is 260 for oem version
Regarding playing at 1080p, I'd seriously consider going 5800x3d for £430..pair it wirh a decent b550 board(tomahawk had been reduced to £114 recently but £150 get you a decent choice esp if you want wifi)
The 5800x3d beats the 12900ks in a fair few games and its the 1% lows which also has a massive jump making it great for fast refresh rate gaming . Couple that with a rx6950xt, which beats a 3090ti at 1080p gaming(and costs similar money to a 3080ti), and youll have a high end gaming system
On my phone otherwise would link a few vids

 

[rchads89]

12600k is 260 for oem version
Regarding playing at 1080p, I'd seriously consider going 5800x3d for £430..pair it wirh a decent b550 board(tomahawk had been reduced to £114 recently but £150 get you a decent choice esp if you want wifi)
The 5800x3d beats the 12900ks in a fair few games and its the 1% lows which also has a massive jump making it great for fast refresh rate gaming . Couple that with a rx6950xt, which beats a 3090ti at 1080p gaming(and costs similar money to a 3080ti), and youll have a high end gaming system
On my phone otherwise would link a few vids

I thought about AM4 but it uses DDR4 so thought might as well go with the newer tech at the time with the intel 12900ks although pricey should be solid with a 3080ti on games for 4/5 years thats why I’m more swayed to it to be honest

 

[Joxeon]

I thought about AM4 but it uses DDR4 so thought might as well go with the newer tech at the time with the intel 12900ks although pricey should be solid with a 3080ti on games for 4/5 years thats why I’m more swayed to it to be honest

The KS isn't worth the premium and will get outclassed by RPL i5 in a few months and also the 3080ti while being a decent card is expensive and will be beaten by a card half the price in a few months.

My advice would be to get a cheap 3060ti / 12600k and replace with a 13700k + 4070/80 in the future, you would end up with a stronger system for a similar amount of money that your planning to spend on the KS/3080ti.