The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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dowie said:
No, I'm not interested in any specific scenarios in particular, I was talking about the rule, nor do I think any of this additional meta-discussion is "very important" at all.
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Yeah I can see you're not interested in the implementation by how you're posting either side about what implementation of the rules should happen to various scenarios and pictures.

Yet the only existing implementation of the rules is something you find awkward and want to avoid.
 
Hotwired said:
Yeah I can see you're not interested in the implementation by how you're posting either side about what implementation of the rules should happen to various scenarios and pictures.
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I didn't say I wasn't interested in the implementation.

Hotwired said:
Yet the only existing implementation of the rules is something you find awkward and want to avoid.
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Eh? Nope. Why is GPS tracking of a jet something I find awkward or want to avoid?

Why are you making up nonsense positons on my behalf?
 
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dowie said:
I didn't say I wasn't interested in the implementation.

Eh? Nope. Why is GPS tracking of a jet something I find awkward or want to avoid?

Why are you making up nonsense positons on my behalf?
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Why are you making up nonsense deflections on your own behalf?

I clearly wrote out the entire scenario that did happen and you blanked it with the words:

dowie said:
I don't find the ranting about Elon stuff particularly interesting and so I even made it explicitly clear I was asking about the rule.
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Then the same page you're happy to scatter your opinion of how Twitter will implement the rule on various pictures and scenarios...

You imply you want to defend the rule in a vacuum (weird but ok) then pitch in how it will happen in the real world while ignoring the one real world implementation that happened as if the Twitter you speak if isn't the exact same Twitter.
 
Hotwired said:
Why are you making up nonsense deflections on your own behalf?
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I'm not.

Hotwired said:
I clearly wrote out the entire scenario that did happen and you blanked it with the words:
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Yup, I'm not interested in your Elon ranting when the question (which was asked of another poster) was about the rule (it turns out that they're more fussed about Elon and that's likely what they were referring to as ridiculous rather than the rule itself). If you've got some point to make about whether or not allowing GPS tracking in real-time is a good idea or not then go ahead and make it. I think it seems reasonable to allow the reporting with a delay, do you think that is unreasonable?

Hotwired said:
Then the same page you're happy to scatter your opinion of how Twitter will implement the rule on various pictures and scenarios...

You imply you want to defend the rule in a vacuum (weird but ok) then pitch in how it will happen in the real world while ignoring the one real world implementation that happened as if the Twitter you speak if isn't the exact same Twitter.
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I'm not though, I just told you that, the point there was I was asking someone a question about the rule itself, go and read what I asked.
 
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So the private media stuff was actually added a year or so ago and it was abused straight away.


All they have really done is patch it up with the GPS clause because Elon was annoyed with it. Cant see how this would be abused but at the same time can't see much benifit to it.

The guy that got killed because his gf posted the location on Instagram would still happen on Twitter unless he's got someone monitoring his Twitter feed 24/7 and getting people to remove them and all his other social media sites.

What's actually needed is a bit more education to the masses on social media safety like don't post a picture of yourself on a flight off for the week (Premiership footballers) or post a load of jewelry and your hotel (Kim K)
 
dowie said:
I'm not.
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Yet I say you are. Shall we ask for a poll for a third opinion if you're tossing out deflection.

dowie said:
Yup, I'm not interested in your Elon ranting. If you've got some point to make about whether or not allowing GPS tracking in real-time is a good idea or not then go ahead and make it.
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The implementation of the rule in the only real use is what I posted. You find it convenient to dismiss it as "ranting" while posting how you think the rule will be implemented in real life scenarios.

Go on, justify the logic of posting how Twitter will do it while ignoring what Twitter just did. This greatly exceeds your stated desire to discuss the rule in a vacuum.
 
mattx4 said:
So the private media stuff was actually added a year or so ago and it was abused straight away.

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I did point that out earlier when you asked me about Hunter Biden's laptop!

mattx4 said:
All they have really done is patch it up with the GPS clause because Elon was annoyed with it. Cant see how this would be abused but at the same time can't see much benifit to it.
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It's not just GPS, it's live location in general.

mattx4 said:
The guy that got killed because his gf posted the location on Instagram would still happen on Twitter unless he's got someone monitoring his Twitter feed 24/7 and getting people to remove them and all his other social media sites.

What's actually needed is a bit more education to the masses on social media safety like don't post a picture of yourself on a flight off for the week (Premiership footballers) or post a load of jewelry and your hotel (Kim K)
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That's a separate issue though, the point there was simply demonstrating the risk, in that particular case it was his gf who posted the location and that is indeed addressed by personal safety stuff as you mention there.

That sort of thing can easily be posted by others though; some random fan may have snapped a pic of him at that location and posted about it while revealing the location, that's perhaps not so risky if few see it... however if some big celebrity account is say messaged with a pic/sighting of a rapper at a known location and they post it... well then you're looking at a much bigger audience, they've got more at stake though.
 
Hotwired said:
The implementation of the rule in the only real use is what I posted. You find it convenient to dismiss it as "ranting" while posting how you think the rule will be implemented in real life scenarios.

Go on, justify the logic of posting how Twitter will do it while ignoring what Twitter just did. This greatly exceeds your stated desire to discuss the rule in a vacuum.
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I don't really know what you want tbh... please do carry on with more of your ranting.
 
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Hotwired said:
Strange, you seem quite content in doing this to other users when you find a contradiction in their posts.
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I thought I'd made it pretty clear what I was asking about, it wasn't even a question directed at you, you now seem miffed that I didn't entertain you jumping in to go off on some tangent to the point where you've been repeatedly generating notifications about it.

The only contradictions here are from your own, often flawed, projections/straw man arguments.
 
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dowie said:
That sort of thing can easily be posted by others though; some random fan may have snapped a pic of him at that location and posted about it while revealing the location, that's perhaps not so risky if few see it... however if some big celebrity account is say messaged with a pic/sighting of a rapper at a known location and they post it... well then you're looking at a much bigger audience, they've got more at stake though.
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But no one at Twitter is going to be trawling through those pics to try and ban anyone posting location info of celebs. Unless it's reported to the admins. By then it's too late anyway as if it's on Twitter it's probably already been crossed posted to Instagram and anyone that has any nefarious intentions would know already

Surely if your out at a public venue by default you give consent to people sharing your location and understand the risk that comes with it

So if I bumped into Elon in NYC and posted a tweet saying guess who I bumped into that's going to banned on Twitter but allowed on Instagram?

So if I want Internet points I would just stop posting on Twitter and move to Instagram
 
mattx4 said:
But no one at Twitter is going to be trawling through those pics to try and ban anyone posting location info of celebs. Unless it's reported to the admins. By then it's too late anyway as if it's on Twitter it's probably already been crossed posted to Instagram and anyone that has any nefarious intentions would know already
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See the CCTV comment made earlier. Again do you understand that larger accounts with greater reach are going to be a bit more sensitive to this?

mattx4 said:
Surely if your out at a public venue by default you give consent to people sharing your location and understand the risk that comes with it
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I'm not sure what point you're making here, that you understand there is a risk isn't an argument against lowering that risk is it?

Like suppose roads didn't have speed limits, you could say, in response to a proposal to implement speed limits that surely people using roads understand the risks right?

mattx4 said:
So if I bumped into Elon in NYC and posted a tweet saying guess who I bumped into that's going to banned on Twitter but allowed on Instagram?

So if I want Internet points I would just stop posting on Twitter and move to Instagram
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If you like, at least for the moment, this could influence other platforms too. Though I guess twitter can be riskier to some extent in the way things can go viral.
 
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LOLs now Twitter accounts are being suspended for mentioning that other accounts are being suspended for mentioning stuff related to elonjet and/or its banning so loads of relatively high profile accounts are now mentioning the suspended accounts which were mentioning the suspended accounts...
 
Great to see Elon going on a ban spree. When conservatives were being banned it was "but twitter is a private company it can do what it wants!"

They're all crying now the shoe is on the other foot.
 
Rroff said:
LOLs now Twitter accounts are being suspended for mentioning that other accounts are being suspended for mentioning stuff related to elonjet and/or its banning so loads of relatively high profile accounts are now mentioning the suspended accounts which were mentioning the suspended accounts...
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Yeah some high profile journalists suspended. Drew Harrell of Washington Post, Aaron Rupar is permanently suspended and Donnie O’Sullivan of CNN.

Elon off his rocker.

Edit: Keith Olbermann and Ryan Mac as well.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
Yeah some high profile journalists suspended. Drew Harrell of Washington Post, Aaron Rupar is permanently suspended and Donnie O’Sullivan of CNN.

Elon off his rocker.
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Whole bunch of CNN and NYT journalists banned but also bunch of OSINT and smaller/amateur/independent news types and similar kind of people who've been covering/sharing the suspensions, more of them are re-sharing who've not been banned yet.

https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy covering some of it - I'm not really sure the ins and outs of it seeing various tendrils of it popping up in different places.
 
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Rroff said:
Whole bunch of CNN and NYT journalists banned but also bunch of OSINT and smaller/amateur/independent news types and similar kind of people who've been covering/sharing the suspensions, more of them are re-sharing who've not been banned yet.
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If journalists keep sharing this could become a massacre.

I can hear the advertisers running back into the Twitter offices now :rolleyes:
 
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Great to see Elon going on a ban spree. When conservatives were being banned it was "but twitter is a private company it can do what it wants!"

They're all crying now the shoe is on the other foot.
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Apples and oranges. People were saying 'Twitter is a private company, it can do what it wants' when people were being banned for breaking ToS. But Musk appears to be banning journalists arbitrarily, which is a very different matter.

At least we now all know he was lying about being a free speech absolutist.
 
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