Today's mass shooting in the US

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Lord-Jaffa said:
More stabbings in UK schools in 2025 by far than shootings in US schools, should we ban knif... oh wait.
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Not that I necessarily don’t believe you, but I’d like to see evidence of that. What I do doubt is that the fatality rate is as high where knives are involved rather than guns.

As an aside, knife homicide rates are higher in America than in the UK, so I’m not sure there’s much moral high ground to be had on that front.
 
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Rroff said:
The other problem is at its root it largely isn't a firearms problem - in another hypothetical country with similar levels of firearms proliferation chances are these incidents would happen far less frequently and banning guns will likely just see a rise in similar incidents carried out by other means.
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It’s definitely a cultural issue, at least in part. Americans just like killing each other. The usual counter examples are places like Switzerland, Canada and Finland, which high levels of gun ownership contrasted with low levels of gun crime. It seems like Americans just love shooting each other. Just can’t get enough of it.

Of course, that isn’t an argument against gun control. If everyone’s got a short fuse, the last thing you want is for them all to be carrying guns. Say what you like about knife crime, and people do, but stabbing someone to death requires much more of an act of will than just pulling a trigger.
 
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Yep, this is going to be a fun one. Trans shooter apparently so suddenly the US right will be very worried about shootings. Not worried enough to do anything about guns obviously but i'm sure they can sort out those trans people.
 
fez said:
Yep, this is going to be a fun one. Trans shooter apparently so suddenly the US right will be very worried about shootings. Not worried enough to do anything about guns obviously but i'm sure they can sort out those trans people.
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No, they’ll be very worried about trans people having guns.
 
Minusorange said:
It would be akin to trying to ban knives in the UK, there's just too many of them already in circulation it wouldn't make any difference
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It wouldn't make an immediate difference, but it would in time. You have to make a start. If you banned gun shops, it would start to make a difference pretty quickly. You should not be able to walk into a shop and pick up a gun, especially highly lethal automatic weapons, it is just crazy.

Re knives in the UK, we need to give Police back much greater Stop and Search powers, and encourage them to stop and search whatever criminal profiles are committing the crimes. It needs a big crack down, with much tougher penalties for anyone caught in possession. The Police need to be more of a force, with more power to do their job properly, i.e. protect the public. At the moment criminals have it way too easy.
 
imtoooldforthis said:
Pretty messed up video on Twitter of the killer showing off their arsenal and manifesto
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I won't be searching for the video, but the fact that they have an arsenal shows you how out of control weapons availability is in the US.

I have visited some of the gun manufacturer websites, and honestly, their marketing is pretty sickening.
 
radderfire said:
I won't be searching for the video, but the fact that they have an arsenal shows you how out of control weapons availability is in the US.

I have visited some of the gun manufacturer websites, and honestly, their marketing is pretty sickening.
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To be fair that may be me using the word wrong, I’m not entirely sure what constitutes an arsenal. It shows the person showing of a few guns, a knife and all their magazines which have various coded messages written on them such as anti Jew/Muslim 4chan style lingo as well as some text in Russian etc
 
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Vonhelmet said:
Americans, as a whole, don’t care. They’d rather have guns. It’s part of their identity.
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Exactly.

radderfire said:
From the Guardian article:

"There have been more than 140 shootings reported in elementary and secondary schools in 2025 thus far, according to the K-12 School Shooting Database."

It's a grave failing of democracy that nothing is getting done about this.
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It's the American obsession with this thing called freedom. The majority of voters are just too stupid to realise that freedom must take second place over state protection of the of the individual. In other words, the state must be able to protect people by limiting their freedoms.

But, whatever, their country their rules. Good luck with that, it's destroying your country. Ever since Mr Trump decided that the America no longer cares about the world, then I don't care about it.
 
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Here's an interesting perspective which touches on guns in America:

Modesta on Quora said:
Why does America seem to not have a pickpocket problem?
I studied abroad in Rome and have lived in New York and Austin, Tx so I will just tell you what I see as differences between Europe vs America when it comes to pickpockets.

  1. The police take their jobs seriously. The police I saw in Italy were hanging out and checking out woman and eating ice cream. They didn’t seem to care to try to stop any crime and they were NOT intimidating. American police on the other hand…Have guns and are more militarized and serious and intimidating…And they actually go after criminals.
  2. We(Americans) have camera’s everywhere and our citizenry will try to help if someone is mugged or robbed as long as they aren’t in immediate danger.
  3. Americans are way more violent. If someone tried to pick my pocket… I’d kick the living daylights out of them. And I’m a female.
  4. American’s don’t like people in our personal space.
  5. Americans are often armed. Pickpockets don’t want to try to snatch someone’s pocket and end up shot. ( A man on a bus tried to steal and old lady’s purse in Texas. She shot him with the gun she had in her purse. She was found not guilty. Texas were proud.
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Quartz said:
Here's an interesting perspective which touches on guns in America:
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Because shooting someone is a reasonable response to an attempted purse snatch?

Violent mugging yeah, but if it was an attempted snatch-and-go...

Either way, whilst they might have fewer instances of sneaky pickpockets, do they perhaps have more armed muggings?
 
Quartz said:
Here's an interesting perspective which touches on guns in America:
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Ah yes, Texas is very similar to places like Barcelona in tourist season. They are comparing apples and oranges. I don't have any fear of pickpockets where I live. I don't worry about people snatching my phone on the street. In London I might. I doubt in central NY people are getting shot all the time because someone pickpockets them. No one is going to be firing their gun wildly into a crowd of people if someone steals something from them.

America just has a guns fetish and they like to think of themselves as cowboys. Lone rangers protecting their god given property. They also like to generalise "europe" like its one homogenous place rather than dozens of countries and sub-cultures. Americans are insular idiots essentially who have been told they are the best since a young age therefore it stands to reason that what they do is right.
 
imtoooldforthis said:
“If someone tried to pick my pocket… I’d kick the living daylights out of them. And I’m a female”

Americans imagining themselves as total badass’s again lol
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The whole point of pickpocketing is that the victim doesn’t know it’s happened until it’s too late. Bad pickpockets in Europe probably get decked from time to time. The good ones are gone before you’re even aware your wallet is missing.

Stupid Americans.
 
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Everyone dreams up these elaborate scenarios where they’re a hero, but the reality is they’ll probably just shoot themselves in the leg or kill a bystander.
 
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