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Hello, was the ID3 Pro Max a big seller? I like the combination of electric seats and DCC as standard, but Autotrader reports only 12 being available from £10,000 to £20,000
 
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Do you ever get close to using that on the roads though?

Yes, regularly.

Or to put it any other way, it’s an all include lease and I’m not paying for the new tyres it will need before it goes back, it’s almost inviting it!

If I was paying for the tyres, probably not as regularly.
 
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I saw the new IX3 Neue Klasse in Munich last week. It’s absolutely lovely in the flesh. It looks quite long but I’m sure it’s only about 4.7m which is normal for that segment. Unfortunately you can’t get inside the car without an appointment.

The list price for the blue one that’s featured in a lot of the YouTube videos is €81470 which is simply bonkers.






 
Hello, was the ID3 Pro Max a big seller? I like the combination of electric seats and DCC as standard, but Autotrader reports only 12 being available from £10,000 to £20,000
It'll probably be a combination of it being the top trim so probably not as popular as slightly lower trims with extra packs added or them just not being listed properly on AT.

Mine is a max and I definitely think it was worth paying the little extra to get all the kit.
I think the tour also comes with a lot of the same extras you get in the max minus one or two but obviously has the bigger battery as well.
 
BMWs are an example of too much inbreeding if cars could eh, breed :cry:. My last two cars where BMWs and I hoped they'd get past this "I ****** my cousin" stage but alas not.

While I'm having a moan about car design, what's with the latest trend of wheel arches that don't follow the profile of the wheel? Not a good look imo.
 
My budget is £40,000 and criteria is a car big enough for a medium size dog and all that comes with that. Needs to take a towbar to carry my heavy ebike, rapid acceleration, fun, well built with nice interior and decent range 200 miles plus. So far dealers are non committal on a cars that can take an aftermarket tow bar.
Shame you had a bad experience with the i4 because it ticks all those boxes. I spec'd it with the towbar and fitted a bike rack with heavy ebike. Used it for the first time yesterday and absolutely no issues.
 
BMWs are an example of too much inbreeding if cars could eh, breed :cry:. My last two cars where BMWs and I hoped they'd get past this "I ****** my cousin" stage but alas not.

While I'm having a moan about car design, what's with the latest trend of wheel arches that don't follow the profile of the wheel? Not a good look imo.
Agreed, looks totally daft. Even more so with the rubber band profile tyres and massive arch gap.

Yes, regularly.

Or to put it any other way, it’s an all include lease and I’m not paying for the new tyres it will need before it goes back, it’s almost inviting it!

If I was paying for the tyres, probably not as regularly.
I look forward to trying a sub 5 second 0-60 EV. I'm sure it's a buzz but I just can't see me ever tapping into that performance (or anywhere near) on the roads.

Maybe that is just indicative of the type of driving I do and the roads I'm on.
 
It'll probably be a combination of it being the top trim so probably not as popular as slightly lower trims with extra packs added or them just not being listed properly on AT.

Mine is a max and I definitely think it was worth paying the little extra to get all the kit.
I think the tour also comes with a lot of the same extras you get in the max minus one or two but obviously has the bigger battery as well.

Would you recommend it? Is 200PS "enough" in a 1800kg car? I've got an old Golf with 210PS but without the 300Kg of lithium.

I was looking for a MK7/MK8 with DCC and then spotted the Pro Max's have pretty steep depreciation, so I can get a 2021 low mileage one for £16,000
 
I look forward to trying a sub 5 second 0-60 EV. I'm sure it's a buzz but I just can't see me ever tapping into that performance (or anywhere near) on the roads.

Maybe that is just indicative of the type of driving I do and the roads I'm on.

Where I live to get anywhere you basically have to join one of two very busy, but usually free flowing dual carriageways.

The issue is said dual carriageways were built before they realised ludicrously short slip roads was a bad idea. If you are in a 100hp hatch back, you are joining at 40mph or you need to commit long before you can see if there is actually a gap to join into. Neither is particularly safe.

If you have the power, you’ve got a lot more options.
 
Would you recommend it? Is 200PS "enough" in a 1800kg car? I've got an old Golf with 210PS but without the 300Kg of lithium.

I was looking for a MK7/MK8 with DCC and then spotted the Pro Max's have pretty steep depreciation, so I can get a 2021 low mileage one for £16,000

My ID3 only has 200ish bhp but to be honest with the pace of its acceleration I don't feel like you need any more for general driving. Still feels more rapid somehow than bikes I've had that'll do 0-60 in half the time.

That's not too say I won't be swayed when I get my next car because bigger is always better :o
Does that answer the question? :D I think the difference in the way EVs deliver power makes them feel much more rapid than an ICE with similar stats.
 
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It's not so much the power but the instant torque from EV's, that's where the performance comes from. The problem is that with the state of our roads and the fact that they can often be very greasy it can be difficult to put that power down.
 
It's not so much the power but the instant torque from EV's, that's where the performance comes from. The problem is that with the state of our roads and the fact that they can often be very greasy it can be difficult to put that power down.
Rear drive cars are fine and the traction control systems are very good. Fwd EV are terrible in winter though
 
Would you recommend it? Is 200PS "enough" in a 1800kg car? I've got an old Golf with 210PS but without the 300Kg of lithium.

Power comparisons between EV and ICE aren't really meaningful. The EV will respond instantly even at low speed, but it won't deliver higher end power in the same way. On normal roads, especially in urban areas,the EV is just way better feeling but if you ever want to take it on track? Well, I haven't tried it but my experience on unrestricted autobahns tells me the EV runs out of steam at about 80-90mph.
 
Shame you had a bad experience with the i4 because it ticks all those boxes. I spec'd it with the towbar and fitted a bike rack with heavy ebike. Used it for the first time yesterday and absolutely no issues.
Yeah, I will try another dealer although that’s 2 out of the three local ones that have been a poor experience. In the past 15 years I must have bought three BMW’S from one of them and two the other!
 
Power comparisons between EV and ICE aren't really meaningful. The EV will respond instantly even at low speed, but it won't deliver higher end power in the same way. On normal roads, especially in urban areas,the EV is just way better feeling but if you ever want to take it on track? Well, I haven't tried it but my experience on unrestricted autobahns tells me the EV runs out of steam at about 80-90mph.
surely that depends on the EV?.
our i3 is similar to what you say, my ipace however can get to 3 figures plenty fast enough. ok sure it tops out at 125mph which makes it by far the slowest top speed of any performance car that I have owned... but really does anyone need to go faster than that in reality?

if you absolutely must then even then there are EVs with a faster top speed .

just put your name down for a yangwang u9 Xtreme ;)
 
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surely that depends on the EV?

Definitely - some of the higher end ones i.e. Lucid Air Sapphire will keep pulling to 160mph and can top 200 :s

On the other hand especially those based on older platforms which have had a few updates but fundamentally still an older car don't like going above 70 or so and you'll notice a big difference compared to how quickly they pull away from standing.

Rear drive cars are fine and the traction control systems are very good. Fwd EV are terrible in winter though

Yeah - a lot of modern EVs have traction control systems in the same kind of ball park as the vaunted Nissan GT-R - seen myself a fair few instances where the car (EV) has saved people where things would have ended badly in an older car. This video has a few incidental demonstrations of the Hyundai i5N :cry:
 
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Power comparisons between EV and ICE aren't really meaningful. The EV will respond instantly even at low speed, but it won't deliver higher end power in the same way. On normal roads, especially in urban areas,the EV is just way better feeling but if you ever want to take it on track? Well, I haven't tried it but my experience on unrestricted autobahns tells me the EV runs out of steam at about 80-90mph.

80-90 is fine, reading about the ID3 they say its strong to 50 and then tails off. I was hoping for 60
 
80-90 is fine, reading about the ID3 they say its strong to 50 and then tails off. I was hoping for 60
Unless you're drag racing it's really not noticeable.
We were driving home from a weekend away yesterday sat at 45ish on a NSL, it opened up with a crawler lane foot down and I was doing 70+ (oops) before I noticed and sailed past everything in the left lane.
 
80-90 is fine, reading about the ID3 they say its strong to 50 and then tails off. I was hoping for 60

The ID3 is fine at 70. You're not getting the same zip you were getting at 10 or 30 but it still pulls just fine. At 50 it's comfortable to overtake on country roads. It depends what you want to compare it to: the performance you're getting at low speeds feel like a hot hatch, the performance you're getting at 70 feels like a decently sprightly family car. Which, to be fair, is what the ID3 is, it's a family car not a sports car wannabe.
 
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