General Headphone Audio

But you're probably not going to know the foam in the spider cage is perishing, or deteriorating unless you have a reason to check it (I.e. install the copper can mod). I mean the sound changing is going to be so slow you'd probably not notice it. Again another reason not to worry.

That said I hadn't realised there's a dynamat coin mod that does remove not just the foam, but the whole spider cage. And in essence seems to be a cheaper version of the Custom Cans mod.

Doesn't look too hard to remove it, though probably a bit of a pain to replace:


According to a lot of comments just removing it though it takes away a lot of what makes the HD600/650 special and you might as well just buy a different set of headphones which do the sound you (in general) are looking for.

Interestingly as I posted above mine seem to have like bubbly plastic/laminated type stuff there rather than soft foam like the insert over the drivers like in the videos and pictures online (possibly a difference between the marbled and matte versions I dunno).
 
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Yes removing that small foam impacts the mid range in a noticeable way I found and the soundstage qualities in that range most will probably find loses its niceness.
 
Realised that instead of constantly moving my 5m audio cable between my gaming and lounging chair which is further away, I can just leave the cable hidden around the room and can then just unplug and move the headphones on their own, plugging them into the DAC directly. Much less of a faff.
 
Realised that instead of constantly moving my 5m audio cable between my gaming and lounging chair which is further away, I can just leave the cable hidden around the room and can then just unplug and move the headphones on their own, plugging them into the DAC directly. Much less of a faff.

I've never found a good solution to managing my different audio setups and moving between different systems and positions :( it is a bit of a pain plugging and unplugging stuff all the time.
 
I've never found a good solution to managing my different audio setups and moving between different systems and positions :( it is a bit of a pain plugging and unplugging stuff all the time.

I think this is the best I can get it. It is indeed a pain, but at least I don’t need to cart a massive cable across the room, trying constantly not to run it over with my chair.
 
Doesn't look too hard to remove it, though probably a bit of a pain to replace:

According to a lot of comments just removing it though it takes away a lot of what makes the HD600/650 special and you might as well just buy a different set of headphones which do the sound you (in general) are looking for.

As mentioned before you don't want to remove it and it's not a part Sennheiser sell on its own. It'll mess with the tuning in a noticeable way. The only reason to remove it, is to fit that CC mod, do the laundry-mat coin mod, replace with another material for another mod, or it has started to perish and you don't want bits on the driver. You can re-fit it but I bet most would struggle to get it back in there to the standard Sennheiser do at the factory.

Sounds like it was a material Sennheiser played with. Something they are said to have done with the paper/mess over the years. Maybe a result of occasionally moving manufacturing before the Sonova buy-out.
 
Throwback for in-ears users, but my UE990s are still going hard after 7 months of backpacking. Need a replacement cable soon for the cheap replacement cable I have but they still sound incredible.
 
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My 90 degree connector arrived this morning. Cleans things up a bit…

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No noticeable loss of sound quality.
 
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Alright so had the HD600 on the X9 now and compared directly against the HE1000se is something interesting for sure. I have to say the matte plastic on the updated version is very nice, looks very premium even though it's all plastic, nicer feeling than my HD650's glossy finish. The stock cable has microphonics, though is is very soft and pliable if a little too rubbery and long, classic Sennheiser there though.

I ordered a neat looking balanced cable for £16 on Amazon, has swappable heads for 2.5mm, 3.5mm and 4.4mm, no annoying microphonics and is a nice desktop friendly length.

I will just say outright that the midrange and overall soundstage on the hD600 is better than what I remember from my HD650 both stock and modded, this is a big surprise. I knew they were slightly different, but the staging and midrange, especially vocals is unexpectedly wide and present. The X9 is in bypass mode with no DAC filter applied either so is as true playing from source as it can get, only colouring with warmth via the AKM Velvet hardware tuning.

Another thing is comfort, whilst the HE1000se and other HF eggs are very comfortable with the memory foam velour pads, you can certainly feel the lack of weight on the HD600. Weight is certainly king. I forgot that since selling on the HD650.

The loudness between both via the X9's balanced outputs requires volume levelling when either headphone is put on, the X9 outputs the max power capable through all headphones ports at the same time so A/B testing is easy enough here, and I found that the HD600 needs +12% volume increase to get to the same loudness as the HE1000se.

Playing select tracks that I know have nuances and details shows striking similarities between both headphones but also some marked differences as well:


This has some imperfections near the start of the song like the crackling of a hitch in the production early on, this is very vivid on the HD600 and centrally focused with a little bit of wide staging, whereas on the HE1000se it's presented wide and in 3D sort of, expected given the wide staging nature of planars.
Her voice is also under the Sennheiser veil but it's very nice still and the soundstage in this song is wide with layering but it's all presented in a more intimate way than on the HE1000se which is more holographic. Both give a different experience on this song, both are excellent and I can see when someone would prefer one over the other. Exactly half way the song dynamics change and piano comes in, the chords are closer to the ears and sound similar to what I recall from the HD650, like as if those chords are just touching the inner ear drums, the bass that plays during this is also present and never feels lacking.


This song really lets the HE1000se shine and is a stand-out song for these headphones over any others I have listened to it on. The clarity, detail and staging/imaging are all just perfect. The HD600 presents it under the veil which I feel mutes some of that clarity especially in her voice but it's still enjoyable as it's intimate now so the reduced staging is offset against the stage being brought much closer to my ears.


This song lets the HD600 shine with its intimate sound, the stereo imaging and layering is superb with this combo. Compared to the HE1000se this song on the HD600 is more dynamic and punchy because the closer soundstage and midrange/vocals, the HE1000se by comparison is more laid back though does have more upper end detail extracted from the song making it clearer mid range and up


At the start of this there is some background noise that gently rumbles along the silent noise floor which is very audible on the HE1000se but is slightly recessed on the HD600, though once the song starts all the above mentioned qualities come out. I think the start is masked by the veil, otherwise the imaging and intimate sound is really nice.

And lastly, ratchets, the bass test track:

This was the biggest surprise of all, the HD600 seems to have better sub-bass extension than my old 650s, even after modding. It's puzzling me this, the bass is so good with this track which i did not expect. Put these on my blind and I would guess I was hearing planar level bass. It doesn't reach as low and extract detail as the Hifimans do no but it's deep enough that I did not expect this from a dynamic driver and not bass I have heard from dynamic headphones before either.

Very impressed, should have got the HD600s originally though I vaguely remember them being more expensive than the £210 I paid for the HD650s back then.At £239 brand new I cannot think of another headphone that sounds as nice when paired through a smooth/warm amp.

Having said that I do realise that I never tried the HD650 through the X9, so it may well be the case that the X9 is outputting music to a higher level to the HD600 which would also apply to the HD650 compared to the previous amps I had when I had the HD650 (latest being the K11 R2R).

Kudos to Sennheiser I guess, £239 for headphones that originally came out in 1997. Sennheiser seems to want £400 for them through official channels. At that price I'd just get Arya Stealth all day long. But at £239 (cannot say name of shop as they sell stuff OcUK sell) there's no question which I'd recommend to people.
 
Now don't sell this one, it's a good headphone and THE reference point for basically everything else. Mostly because it's been around a long time and a lot of people have heard it or own it.

Plus, it is actually excellent, I love mine.

p.s nice cable that, if i didn't already have an Openheart 4.4mm one I would get it.
 
Didn't know what to expect with the cable but for £16 was worth a shot, which paid off. If they did one with 3.5mm connections on each end then I’d get one for the Hifimans too if I didn't have the Fosi cable.

Yeah these are not going anywhere. Might even stock up on spare pads,and headband foam for the inevitable yearly pad swap :cry:

I will be using these pretty often now as they offer something different to the planars and all without needing any EQ or tweaking.
 
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Kudos to Sennheiser I guess, £239 for headphones that originally came out in 1997. Sennheiser seems to want £400 for them through official channels. At that price I'd just get Arya Stealth all day long. But at £239 (cannot say name of shop as they sell stuff OcUK sell) there's no question which I'd recommend to people.

So we're all agreed the HD 6x0 is the best headphone ever.

Good to read your thoughts. I can imagine the 600 (or any 6x0) shine on the X9. The cable seems a bargain and looks quite nice in the other two colour options.

Interestingly I've had family around the last two days and one of them tried the 600 and 6XX on a couple of my DAC/AMPs. Not an audiophile he immediately said he preferred the 600 as the 6XX was a bit 'fuzzy'. And I was quite impressed he picked up on the warmth of the 6XX.

Overall despite listening to the 600 for two months now, I'm not sure I could choose just one over the other. I personally feel a little bit different about the sub-bass extension and soundstage on the 600 vs. the 650, but understand why some would choose the 600.
 
Yeah I modded my 650 to get a bit better sub bass, and then bought the 660S2 to try out because of its claim of sub bass but was left not that impressed really given the higher cost vs HD650 at the time and not much else changing.

The 600's sub bass is very impressive though, I did not expect that and it's adjusted my view of dynamic driver headphones vs planar for desiring detailed bass extension. I'd say the HD600 sounds nicer all round than the 660S2 even and I preferred the modded 650 over the stock 660S2 as well.

The only thing I have not done yet is gaming so will jump into BF6 shortly to see how it is.The Arya Stealth and HE1000se are excellent for gaming owing to the soundstage width and stereo imaging. I suspect the 600 will be similar but with the stage brought closer to my ears so gaming is just as immersive but with more close proximity to footsteps and noises etc. Will update in a couple of hours.
 
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Yeah I modded my 650 to get a bit better sub bass, and then bought the 660S2 to try out because of its claim of sub bass but was left not that impressed really given the higher cost vs HD650 at the time and not much else changing.

The 600's sub bass is very impressive though, I did not expect that and it's adjusted my view of dynamic driver headphones vs planar for desiring detailed bass extension. I'd say the HD600 sounds nicer all round than the 660S2 even and I preferred the modded 650 over the stock 660S2 as well.

The only thing I have not done yet is gaming so will jump into BF6 shortly to see how it is.The Arya Stealth and HE1000se are excellent for gaming owing to the soundstage width and stereo imaging. I suspect the 600 will be similar but with the stage brought closer to my ears so gaming is just as immersive but with more close proximity to footsteps and noises etc. Will update in a couple of hours.

I think for me, there is a noticeable mid-bass hump on the stock 650, with more sub-bass. And modding them with the Custom Cans copper mod extends that sub-bass even more. That said I think both the 600 and 650 fall short in bass when compared to the 660S2. It's just better. Although I also prefer the 600/650/6XX over the 660S2 overall.
 
My first iteration of the DMS Omega are complete. The print quality for some of the parts is a bit rough and could be improved with some more attempts and tweaks to the print settings but sound-wise my first thoughts were "huh, hd600 with more bass". I'll do some more listening and side-by-side with my hd650 tomorrow to get a better feel for how they sound.
I've had a nightmare with ordering the drivers from Digikey, I ordered 4 drivers originally and 3 of those had dents in them, Digikey then sent me 3 replacements which turned up today and 2 of those have the same type of damage. Thankfully, that gave me two that I was able to use.
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That sure does look homemade ! But I guess a fun project all the same?

What was the total cost in the end? The actual 3D printer excluded.
 
The HD580 is like some forgotten ******* child out of wed lock lol

To be fair they weren't made for long like the 600 and 650. And so you're talking about buying a c.30-year old headphone second-hand. I'd like to get a pair, but difficult to justify.

My first iteration of the DMS Omega are complete...

Can you paint the plastic, or is that not advisable?

Otherwise look great. I did like the different colours on the Omega symbol and that suited the look, although I don't know if it was intentional for it to be all-black.
 
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That sure does look homemade ! But I guess a fun project all the same?

What was the total cost in the end? The actual 3D printer excluded.

Yea they do look very homemade. If I replaced the 3d printed headstrap with an Aliexpress one I think that they would look less so. Price wise with all the bits I had to pickup it was probably somewhere around 80 quid with the main cost being the drivers, it would be more if I had gone with the recommended Dekoni pads not cheaper ones and bought a headband.
As a project it wasn't that involved since its all designed and spec'd for you, aside from the printing it was just sticking some stuff in place and soldering 4 wires. It could be interesting to tweak the design of parts etc, but we will see.
 
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Can you paint the plastic, or is that not advisable?

Otherwise look great. I did like the different colours on the Omega symbol and that suited the look, although I don't know if it was intentional for it to be all-black.

Yea it can be sanded, then primed, painted and clear coated without issue I think. I just used what filament already had, I could maybe get a cleaner print using PLA instead of petg but it wouldn't be as strong.
 
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