The nervous wait to exchange....

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"If the market doesn't rise and rates don't go down for a few years you would almost certainly have been better off renting."

Can't make that work for me. regardless of the ups and downs of pricing, when you are paying your mortgage (for now matter how short a time) you are buying some equity, paying rent is just paying a bill. Obvs, if you have to move around a lot for work (as I did) renting allows you to keep costs down, so long as your expectations of how you live are in line with what you're willing to pay.

Thats the issue though, you're thinking of it without considering the costs of buying and owning a house.

To give a very simplified example.

£500k house. 10% deposit. 5 year time frame. 4.5% mortgage

£15k stamp duty
£7k associated costs for solicitor, surveys, mortgage, moving costs etc.

Monthly repayment of £2500 and after 5 years you would have paid off ~£55k from the debt. You would have paid £150,000 to the bank over that time so £95,000 in "dead money".

So that house has effectively cost you £117,000 over 5 years in "dead money" that hasn't gone to paying down the house. Thats £1950 per month in dead money.

Now around here a £500k house would probably cost you about £2-2500/month rent. So yes, its just about a better bet purely financially as long as you don't have any large costs incurred as the owner of the house.

If you consider the opportunity cost loss of that £50k on the deposit though, its not quite as good. That £50k invested would likely be worth about £70k now so that completely kills the value in it.

People massively overestimate how much of their mortgage payment is actually going into accumulating equity. The reason people massively overestimate this usually is because house prices have gone up steadily over the years so you have built up a lot of equity but thats not from paying your mortgage, its from the market rising.
 
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We rented 2012 to 2022 , the rent was £750pm all the way through for a three storey, three bed terrace (town house).

We could not find a house in the right place that we liked. Eventually we did.
 
Thats the issue though, you're thinking of it without considering the costs of buying and owning a house.

To give a very simplified example.

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You are not accounting for appreciation. That £500k house is likely going to be worth £580k in 5 years assuming a 3% annual increase.

EDIT, I realise I may not have read the entire context.
 
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Thats the issue though, you're thinking of it without considering the costs of buying and owning a house.

To give a very simplified example.

£500k house. 10% deposit. 5 year time frame. 4.5% mortgage

£15k stamp duty
£7k associated costs for solicitor, surveys, mortgage, moving costs etc.

Monthly repayment of £2500 and after 5 years you would have paid off ~£55k from the debt. You would have paid £150,000 to the bank over that time so £95,000 in "dead money".

So that house has effectively cost you £117,000 over 5 years in "dead money" that hasn't gone to paying down the house. Thats £1950 per month in dead money.

Now around here a £500k house would probably cost you about £2-2500/month rent. So yes, its just about a better bet purely financially as long as you don't have any large costs incurred as the owner of the house.

If you consider the opportunity cost loss of that £50k on the deposit though, its not quite as good. That £50k invested would likely be worth about £70k now so that completely kills the value in it.

People massively overestimate how much of their mortgage payment is actually going into accumulating equity. The reason people massively overestimate this usually is because house prices have gone up steadily over the years so you have built up a lot of equity but thats not from paying your mortgage, its from the market rising.
Plus the cost of maintaining the house. Obviously owning a property as an asset is eminently sensible for your long term finances, but in a world where prices are unlikely to keep rising at historic rates, it’s worth considering the finances like this.

This thread is giving me horrible flashbacks to buying during covid! Kinda glad I didn’t get that job recently that would have meant relocating.

Fixing the house moving process in this country would be such a boost for mobility. The thought of going through it again makes me want to move to Scotland.
 
You are not accounting for appreciation. That £500k house is likely going to be worth £580k in 5 years assuming a 3% annual increase.

EDIT, I realise I may not have read the entire context.

Yeah, that was kind of the whole point. There is a generation of people who think that owning a house is always better than renting "because its not dead money" and the only reason thats true is due to house price increases. If house prices don't increase steadily over time it really doesn't make that much sense to buy at current prices. Well, it doesn't make it a no-brainer like it has been for so long.

Plus the cost of maintaining the house. Obviously owning a property as an asset is eminently sensible for your long term finances, but in a world where prices are unlikely to keep rising at historic rates, it’s worth considering the finances like this.

This thread is giving me horrible flashbacks to buying during covid! Kinda glad I didn’t get that job recently that would have meant relocating.

Fixing the house moving process in this country would be such a boost for mobility. The thought of going through it again makes me want to move to Scotland.

Yeah, I am really hoping that the SDLT reforms make the whole process far less expensive. I am happy to pay more money every year to live in a nice house but the current system where you are massively financially penalised for wanting to move house is utterly retarded.

I wonder how many more houses would sell if buying a house didn't effectively lock you into that house for 5+ years. I wonder how many chains wouldn't collapse if people knew that the cost of moving would be lets say £10k instead of £50k. If they knew that they could buy the house that was right for them now and not have to worry about that house being right for them in 5-10 years time.
 
Yeah, that was kind of the whole point. There is a generation of people who think that owning a house is always better than renting "because its not dead money" and the only reason thats true is due to house price increases. If house prices don't increase steadily over time it really doesn't make that much sense to buy at current prices. Well, it doesn't make it a no-brainer like it has been for so long.
Valid points. But longer term if you don't own a home, you'll need much more money in retirement to continue with rent prices, whereas most people pay off their mortgage before they retire.
 
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And we've exchanged!

Completion date of the 7th November :D

I'm both excited and scared at the same time. It's a big jump up house wise (and cost!) but really looking forward to having more space and our boys having proper sized bedrooms and not little Harry Potter rooms.
This sounds similar to us! Congrats!

We are going from our smaller home with 2 young boys to something a bit more spacious and we definitely look forward to that now that they are getting older

Still worried about the change in cost/expenses myself but it will be fine... Right? :D

Best of luck!

We haven't exchanged yet, probably a ways off but I THINK things are moving along nicely
 
I moved last week. Exchanged on the Thursday at around 4pm and completed the next day and got the keys around 1pm. Ridiculous really couldn’t even arrange removals at such short notice. So i borrowed a long wheel base Mercedes Sprinter and did it myself.

Some tips for anyone considering doing their own removals.

1. Dont! :-D
 
I moved last week. Exchanged on the Thursday at around 4pm and completed the next day and got the keys around 1pm. Ridiculous really couldn’t even arrange removals at such short notice. So i borrowed a long wheel base Mercedes Sprinter and did it myself.

Some tips for anyone considering doing their own removals.

1. Dont! :-D
I was about to ask how that all works should I be getting quote/the ball rolling now (without a date in mind, I imagine there isn't much they can do!)
 
I was about to ask how that all works should I be getting quote/the ball rolling now (without a date in mind, I imagine there isn't much they can do!)

Have you exchanged? They usually ask for a 20% deposit. Just get everything you don’t need boxed up. We bought some cardboard packing boxes from the rain forest.
 
Have you exchanged? They usually ask for a 20% deposit. Just get everything you don’t need boxed up. We bought some cardboard packing boxes from the rain forest.
Na not yet, short chain (FTB, ourselves and an empty house at the end)

Going well not sure what to expect time wise really but I'm guessing it will run into the new year
 
I was about to ask how that all works should I be getting quote/the ball rolling now (without a date in mind, I imagine there isn't much they can do!)

I just sucked up the fact there was going to be an overlap, as I had a number of 'potential completion dates' but they fell through until the real one happened then I just got the quote on completion and fortunately the movers had a slot within 10 days.

It gave me some time too, to get some work done on the house whilst it was empty. I had a buffer though as I was a FTB and had the funds to pay the mortgage and rent for a month.
 
Those of more advanced years (passed your driving test before 1/1/1997) can check their driving license and you should have C1 class. This allows you to hire a 7.5 tonne truck. Me and some helpers moved a packed 3 bed house in two trips with one. Dead easy to drive, just remember you are in a BIG vehicle.
 
Those of more advanced years (passed your driving test before 1/1/1997) can check their driving license and you should have C1 class. This allows you to hire a 7.5 tonne truck. Me and some helpers moved a packed 3 bed house in two trips with one. Dead easy to drive, just remember you are in a BIG vehicle.
Oh, nice I have a C1 - also have a C1E
 
Just had the enquiries through from our buyers.

The only thing of note is that our 10 year electrical certificate suggested that our plastic consumer unit could ideally be changed to metal. So they are asking if the recommended works have been carried out.

however as it was installed prior to the legislation change, and it's in good shape, it doesn't need changing. Electrician just put it as essentially an advisory but not something that needs doing.

So I've passed that on, I wonder if they will play for us to have it changed.
 
100% not required. If it’s compliant with the rules as they were when it was installed it’s compliant today. Just say no if they try anything.

It’s just another spark suggesting a needless board change because it’s not the current version. But unless there is actually a need to change it (e.g. space), there is no need to.
 
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100% not required. If it’s compliant with the rules as they were when it was installed it’s compliant today. Just say no if they try anything.

It’s just another spark suggesting a needless board change because it’s not the current version. But unless there is actually a need to change it (e.g. space), there is no need to.
Yeah definitely not doing it. House is 11 years old, regs changed 2 years after it was built.

Electrician is happy to stand by it as a pass and it's definitely not required as it's safe, not in an enclosed area or under the stairs etc

They may not try it, but just odd they asked if the work had been done. I'd assume they would accept the pass for what it is
 
Yeah definitely not doing it. House is 11 years old, regs changed 2 years after it was built.

Electrician is happy to stand by it as a pass and it's definitely not required as it's safe, not in an enclosed area or under the stairs etc

They may not try it, but just odd they asked if the work had been done. I'd assume they would accept the pass for what it is
Even better, a new build only has to comply with the regs at the time the estate was planned, not the time it was built.
 
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