Conservative Boy brings UK into disrepute

[Theophany]

To be honest everything the Tories stand for is bad for the vast majority.
Every time I see an anti Tory thread I think "same ****, different day" I'm just waiting for them to get booted in the next election so we can get on with our lives.

The government in power stops you from getting on with your life?

What a sad existence.

 

[pitchfork]

clearly you know a lot about politics...

I know a lot about economics.
I know how outdated and quite frankly moronic classical economic theory is a factor in every major recession. And that it favours the rich heavily whilst forcing everyone else to work for less creating a social divide, if the theory worked like it was supposed to.
Which it doesn't, it just gives wealthy business owners more in their pocket whilst unemployment rises, and those in work get less and less.

Conservatives don't care about people unless the people have money, that does not a good political party, make.

 

[sigma]

 

[Theophany]

I know a lot about economics.
I know how outdated and quite frankly moronic classical economic theory is a factor in every major recession. And that it favours the rich heavily whilst forcing everyone else to work for less creating a social divide, if the theory worked like it was supposed to.
Which it doesn't, it just gives wealthy business owners more in their pocket whilst unemployment rises, and those in work get less and less.

Conservatives don't care about people unless the people have money, that does not a good political party, make.

That's not economics. That's politics dressed in a negligée of foundation level econ textbooks.

 

[ChroniC]

To be honest everything the Tories stand for is bad for the vast majority.
Every time I see an anti Tory thread I think "same ****, different day" I'm just waiting for them to get booted in the next election so we can get on with our lives.

For who, the other side who thinking throwing money at poor people is a good idea. They're poor for a reason!

 

[p1RATE]

I know a lot about economics.
I know how outdated and quite frankly moronic classical economic theory is a factor in every major recession. And that it favours the rich heavily whilst forcing everyone else to work for less creating a social divide, if the theory worked like it was supposed to.
Which it doesn't, it just gives wealthy business owners more in their pocket whilst unemployment rises, and those in work get less and less.

Conservatives don't care about people unless the people have money, that does not a good political party, make.

my point proven, you dont have a clue.

 

[godinman]

For who, the other side who thinking throwing money at poor people is a good idea. They're poor for a reason!

I feel a similar way when people moan about rich tories, at least they and their family have managed to make a success of their lives, I'd much rather have them in charge than some 3rd generation failtard tbh!

 

[Floogie]

That's not economics. That's politics dressed in a negligée of foundation level econ textbooks.

my point proven, you dont have a clue.

So why don't you two explain why he's wrong instead of casually dismissing his opinions?

To say one of you (Theophany) is suggesting that politics is separate from economics further suggests it is you who lacks understanding...

 

[Theophany]

I feel a similar way when people moan about rich tories, at least they and their family have managed to make a success of their lives, I'd much rather have them in charge than some 3rd generation failtard tbh!

Which is really the great irony of it all, the Labour party is run by people from very wealthy backgrounds.

To say one of you (Theophany) is suggesting that politics is separate from economics further suggests it is you who lacks understanding...

It is separate, unless your understanding of economics comes from some tabloid hack or your average politician.

Example: HM Treasury raises the threshold of top rate of income tax.

Tabloid explanation: 'help the rich get richer at the expense of the poor.'
Economics explanation: 'attempt to stimulate growth through relaxing household budget constraints.'

Talk of normative terms like 'poverty,' 'rich' and 'poor' should not come into it.

 

[estebanrey]

For who, the other side who thinking throwing money at poor people is a good idea. They're poor for a reason!

Accident of birth sadly for many. Same reason why a lot of people are rich, they were born into rich families and afforded the best education, universities, contacts in the city etc etc.

If you think that everyone who is poor is only so because of the actions they've taken in their lives and everyone who is rich is so because of hard work carried out in their lifetimes you are mistaken.

Your Alan Sugar types who go from rags to riches are very rare amongst the rich. A lazy rich person becoming poor is even rarer.

I'm no socialist myself but it is a fact that the poorer you are the harder is it to gain wealth whilst the richer you are the easier it is to retain and grow your wealth with everything else being equal.

I would love a society where people's wealth was linear and more closely aligned to their personal input in society but that would require the abolition of the concepts of interest (which punish people who have to borrow and reward those who have lump sums they can afford to have sit around) and inheritance.

Neither of which would be an easy thing to do.

 

[pitchfork]

For who, the other side who thinking throwing money at poor people is a good idea. They're poor for a reason!

You really believe every poor person is poor for a reason, unfortunate circumstances often make it impossible for people to achieve their full potential. Whether it's illness, unexpected responsibilities, or maybe a need to bring in money to the household from the age of 16.

Do you really think all the people with a privileged upbringing could have thrived growing up on some ****hole council estate? I severely doubt it.

Wisely investing money into people and into projects which will boost the economy long term, bringing prosperity into this country. Is the only system which can work fairly, and in the long term.

 

[wildman]

For them as what don't know Cammers and Cleggie are on their hols leavin Haig in the hot seat . But did Haig consult with his betters? Like Cheshire Blair they are all brown nosing with the powers that be in the USA - Banksters/ Honest Dick Cheney and all - them as what pulls the strings on whichever president they place in office

English ..................... do you type it ???

 

[ChroniC]

Accident of birth sadly for many. Same reason why a lot of people are rich, they were born into rich families and afforded the best education, universities, contacts in the city etc etc.

If you think that everyone who is poor is only so because of the actions they've taken in their lives and everyone who is rich is so because of hard work carried out in their lifetimes you are mistaken.

Your Alan Sugar types who go from rags to riches are very rare amongst the rich. A lazy rich person becoming poor is even rarer.

I'm no socialist myself but it is a fact that the poorer you are the harder is it to gain wealth whilst the richer you are the easier it is to retain and grow your wealth with everything else being equal.

I would love a society where people's wealth was linear and more closely aligned to their personal input in society but that would require the abolition of the concepts of interest (which punish people who have to borrow and reward those who have lump sums they can afford to have sit around) and inheritance.

Neither of which would be an easy thing to do.

Regardless this has nothing to do with the topic at hand, so lets not detrail this thread...

 

[pitchfork]

I don't agree, at all. I went to the same school as many poor, middle class and rich people they had the same education as I received, so why don't they have the same ability to gain wealth. Basically they can.
There is zero stopping anyone who attends school from trying hard, going through university and becoming a doctor or whatever else they want.

Alan Sugar types are rare, simple because stupid people rarely get of their arse and realise they need to try harder. You cannot make excuses for the vast majority of poor people based on disability or drug abuse. Millions of people are not druggies or disabled they simple just are thick. Hell I don't even blame them for that, that not there fault. It could be genetics, it could be because their parents didn't help them at school or the system failed them, all the things you say are probably the catalyst for the being that way, but it still boils down to poor people are poor for a reason. I would hassen to say that geniuses don't stay poor for long if they ever become poor.

I know a guy who got A* in all the subjects he did at college, shortly before departing for university his mum (a single parent) got diagnosed with cancer.
He didn't go to university in the end to care for his terminally ill mother and is now working part time in a supermarket to bring in money.
Is that his fault?

Some of the smartest and most capable people don't have the means to get rich.

Are you seriously trying to say that a good chunk of business startups take no financial support from rich family members, or get them to cosign a loan?

 

[Cosimo]

OP name change to 'Conservative Boy'.

Great suggestion.

 

[ChroniC]

I know a guy who got A* in all the subjects he did at college, shortly before departing for university his mum (a single parent) got diagnosed with cancer.
He didn't go to university in the end to care for his terminally ill mother and is now working part time in a supermarket to bring in money.
Is that his fault?

Some of the smartest and most capable people don't have the means to get rich.

Are you seriously trying to say that a good chunk of business startups take no financial support from rich family members, or get them to cosign a loan?

I forgot that one man was the demographic for millions of such individuals, we all know one or two like this, but I doubt they fill council estates.

 

[No1newts]

So OP is a lolstockhausen alt?

 

[Castiel]

OP name change to 'Conservative Boy'.

Yep...inform Thundycat immediately....

 

[ethan]

http://www.frankhampson.co.uk/images/Mekon_medium.jpg

Yes he is an arrogant arse.
I hope Assange is given diplomatic immunity as a consequence of the stupidity of it all.

This is frightening. We must have diplomats in embassies around the world now concerned about what stupid move our incumbent fools will sanction next.

Does anyone (truly) think for a moment that they would normally go to THIS level to arrest someone for trial without evidence other than someone making a complaint long after the event?

In the meantime, my respect for Ecuador has greatly increased

 

[Redman]

I know a lot about economics.
I know how outdated and quite frankly moronic classical economic theory is a factor in every major recession. And that it favours the rich heavily whilst forcing everyone else to work for less creating a social divide, if the theory worked like it was supposed to.
Which it doesn't, it just gives wealthy business owners more in their pocket whilst unemployment rises, and those in work get less and less.

Conservatives don't care about people unless the people have money, that does not a good political party, make.

And how did we get where we are right now? Who was in power spending like there was no end. Boom, no bust.

The Conservatives are needed every cycle to clear up the mess before idiots get blinded by Labour rhetoric, and the countries finances go to hell again.