Woolwich serious incident

Shayper · 23 May 2013 at 19:57

Arthur Hucksake said:
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Oh but your just taking it the wrong way, your reading it wrong. It's not meant to be literal.

Then don't bloody use it as a Religious guide then.

Not sure of the exact verse but:

He who kills an innocent kills the entire human race.

Also from the Qu'ran. Isn't selective quoting FUN.

Shayper · 23 May 2013 at 19:58

fadetoblack said:
The author is talking ####

Because he disagrees with you?

pokerking · 23 May 2013 at 19:58

All this because of religion? What a waste of a life and a terrible act for people to witness.

Barbaric, and as such should carry barbaric punishment. You know the torture treatment they used to use in the dark ages? I am sure as heck putting them through the devices they used to use would stop quite a lot of people wanting to commit such acts. You know if they get caught over here they will have a very easy ride locked up for the rest of there life, no wrong doings due to human rights. Human rights should not apply to people of this nature.

Religion, what a load of rubbish. Fools the lot of you believing in a God when Science can and has proven life. Not a GOD!

Gilly · 23 May 2013 at 19:59

Shayper said:
Not sure of the exact verse but:

He who kills an innocent kills the entire human race.

Also from the Qu'ran. Isn't selective quoting FUN.

About as fun as misleading, confusing and downright contradictory religious texts!

pokerking said:
All this because of religion? What a waste of a life and a terrible act for people to witness.

Nope. All this because of two barbarians.

Arthur Hucksake · 23 May 2013 at 19:59

manic111 said:
Great article. With all due respect to the forces, and speaking purely from conjecture, I imagine that a lot of them become somewhat radical in their views towards people from the Middle East while they serve out there. It's good to hear the views of somebody who has actually served there, and has a balanced viewpoint.

It's the sort of article which, if it was read by everyone, could go a long way towards everyone getting on better, and Maccy getting some rest!

My uncle spent months over there building peaceful ties with villages, got them clean water, built infrastructure. Left for a week and the Taliban pillaged it. That was our fault.

We didn't protect them see. So if we leave, we are the villains. If we stay we are the villains.

Until you actually know what happens over there, and not just rely on daily newspapers and other forms of mainstream media, you will never understand this conflict and how it relates to our way of life.

Even the muppets over here committing these acts don't get it.

Shayper · 23 May 2013 at 19:59

Gilly said:
About as fun as misleading, confusing and downright contradictory religious texts!

I'm inclined to agree.

Maccy · 23 May 2013 at 19:59

Why do I need some rest??

Arthur Hucksake · 23 May 2013 at 20:00

Shayper said:
Not sure of the exact verse but:

He who kills an innocent kills the entire human race.

Also from the Qu'ran. Isn't selective quoting FUN.

It makes no difference whatsoever. It clearly states in this crackerjack book of lunacy to kill non-believers.

Religion is filth.

trigger-happy · 23 May 2013 at 20:00

Gilly said:
You must not be Muslim then. Hate to break it to you

The vast majority of Muslims don't want to change the country, its fine as it is. Only the few extremists do who get all the media attention.

Good to see Boris Johnson got is head in gear by saying we must make a very clear distinction between Islam and Islamic Extremists who twist the religion into their own needs.

I lived with Muslims for years and none of them preached hate, they are proud to be British.

Threads like these always get out of hand and people here get all excited when there is Muslims involved in the news. People here should learn not to label all Muslims as evil just because of the actions of a few.

bitslice · 23 May 2013 at 20:02

Shayper said:
Not sure of the exact verse but:

He who kills an innocent kills the entire human race.

Well if they were following the same book then they would just say he wasn't innocent as he was a soldier (same as craterloads has been saying)

Gilly · 23 May 2013 at 20:03

Maccy said:
Why do I need some rest??

Dunno. Maybe you're being tarred with babysitting this behemoth for all but 6 hours overnight in my stead

pokerking · 23 May 2013 at 20:03

Gilly said:
About as fun as misleading, confusing and downright contradictory religious texts!

Nope. All this because of two barbarians.

Have you seen what he was saying?

There are many, many ayah throughout the Koran [referring to religious

verses] that says we must fight them as they fight us, an eye for an eye

and a tooth for a tooth. I apologize that women had to witness this

today but in our land women have to see the same. You people will never

be safe. Remove your government, they don’t care about you."

Edit the link, sorry. Had a video.

Shayper · 23 May 2013 at 20:06

Arthur Hucksake said:
It makes no difference whatsoever. It clearly states in this crackerjack book of lunacy to kill non-believers.

Religion is filth.

And confirmed to not listen to anything but what you agree with.

I interpreted my tesco receipt to say that I need to kill someone. BAN TESCO. KICK THEM OUT.

bitslice said:
Well if they were following the same book then they would just say he wasn't innocent as he was a soldier (same as craterloads has been saying)

Don't be facetious, you know exactly what I meant by that.

T345 · 23 May 2013 at 20:06

Shayper said:
And confirmed to not listen to anything but what you agree with.

I interpreted my tesco receipt to say that I need to kill someone. BAN TESCO. KICK THEM OUT.

Don't be facetious, you know exactly what I meant by that.

UMADBRO, Check MM (sorry for being off topic)

Maccy · 23 May 2013 at 20:07

Gilly said:
Dunno. Maybe you're being tarred with babysitting this behemoth for all but 6 hours overnight in my stead

I'll be going to bed early tonight, maybe we should just close it overnight again?!

Wildgoose123 · 23 May 2013 at 20:08

I wish i didn't live so close to this!

mattyg · 23 May 2013 at 20:08

NeoReloaded said:
Turns out he was a month younger than me and also has a 2 year old son like me! I hope when his little boy grows up he finds the two responsible and kills them both. That is exactly what I would want my son to do had it been me!

So you would want your son to seek revenge and then spend he rest of his life in prison.. Yeah cheers dad

Shayper · 23 May 2013 at 20:08

T345 said:
UMADBRO, Check MM (sorry for being off topic)

Aaah tanks for reminding me. I've had a really busy week with exams, sorry mate

T345 · 23 May 2013 at 20:09

Shayper said:
Aaah tanks for reminding me. I've had a really busy week with exams, sorry mate

It's alright dude, I understand

do_ron_ron · 23 May 2013 at 20:10

lemonade said:
Really good article written by an ex soldier here. Highlight snippets:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/23/woolwich-attack-british-foreign-policy-role

The sad thing is when all the hysteria has blown over in a weeks time, nothing will change. The gov will continue with its bloody and imperialistic foreign policy, Muslim will continue getting enraged, with some nutter trying to do x,y,z, and far right groups growing and causing trouble. Another case of tom, dick and harry getting screwed by men in suits in parliament and the lobbies that influence them. They already talking about pushing through the snooping bill, so the rest of us will lose more of our privacy thanks to a handful group of people.

Very good article. I am also surprised that this type of incident has not happened more. British foreign policy continually alienates others round the world, even when we are not acting as America's poodle. It was not that long ago that a court case about British troops torturing in Kenya. Also happened in Aden, Palestine etc. etc.

As long as we go overseas and mistreat others some will do the same to us.