Soldato
I don't think you get it. If you want a Ford got to a Ford dealership. If you want a Ferrari, go to a ferrari dealership. But don't go to Ford and expect them to be able to offer you a Ferrari.
Also, your post contradicts advice that I am sure you (and certainly almost every wedding tog) have told people when looking for a wedding tog - one should always met with the photography and make sure you get along well and can produce work that you like.
I don't think you get it. If you want a Ford got to a Ford dealership. If you want a Ferrari, go to a ferrari dealership. But don't go to Ford and expect them to be able to offer you a Ferrari.
I don't think you get it, if I go to a hairdresser to get my hair cut I want them to discuss with me and ask me what I like given their advice.
Good luck with your wedding business, exciting times I am sure. I might actually become a weekend warrior next year because I will be going through a huge change in living circumstances which probably means I will have to quite my full time job.
When you are good enough, people will pay for quality, your art and your vision. Here, is the important part, your art and vision. The moment you start deviate from it, you start to lose it.
pretty much what i was going to say!
i dont do weddings but this is possibly the number 1 rule every wedding togger should follow ie take pictures in the style and manner in which the people who are getting married want
Watch Sal Cincotta's workshops, he will tell you exactly the same thing, this guy charges 5 figures for weddings so its not pocket change and he would happily turn them down if the client' idea of photos is not what he offers.
I would not go to Jeff Ascough and ask him to shoot like Jessica Claire, its not what he does. If I want Jessica Claire's work I would go to Jessica Claire.
Just looked at his website. Jesus Christ, that is some beautiful photography.
kd
Sometimes the money is not worth the trouble it brings if the client is not who right for you.
Watch Sal Cincotta's workshops, he will tell you exactly the same thing, this guy charges 5 figures for weddings so its not pocket change and he would happily turn them down if the client' idea of photos is not what he offers.
His words are "not my client".
I see it as you are working with them, not for them. You have to be comfortable with them as they are comfortable with you.
Sometimes from the get set you know if they are your client, if you are successful you can basically pick and choose, Jeff Ascough shoots 40 a year but he gets many more enquiries than that. If you do it as a side line you can pick and choose. I guess if you are struggling as a business then you would put money first but then you have to ask yourself why are you struggling. Are you pitching your work at the right people, are you pitching it against the right market segment, are your work good enough?
When you are good enough, people will pay for quality, your art and your vision. Here, is the important part, your art and vision. The moment you start deviate from it, you start to lose it.
For the OP, I would shoot it how I would think best would shoot it, shoot it how it fits them both, pitch them your ideas, but if they don't like it then move on to the next idea. But if documentary is your thing, make it your thing, don't bend it for money.
The only time I ask what kind of photos my client want is what is in their formal list, the rest I shoot how I shoot it. Because they have seen my portfolio, they have seen complete works, they know what I do and what they will get. If they ask me to shoot any other way then it would turn out bad, because that is not how I shoot, it would reflect bad on me, bad reputation and bad for business. I may land 1 wedding pay day but could lose many more.
I would not go to Jeff Ascough and ask him to shoot like Jessica Claire, its not what he does. If I want Jessica Claire's work I would go to Jessica Claire.
Firstly if you know what you want, pick a hair salon you think caters for that style. Don't go to an establishment which specialises in blue rinses if you want a 'trendy' haircut. You can tell them what you want but they probably can't deliver it in a way you want.
The point is the OP is shooting a wedding for a gay couple and is wondering whether he should photograph them kissing, etc.. That is really up to the couple to decide, not the photographer. They will be very disappointed if they were expecting quite a few close intimate kissing photos like they saw on the togs website but they get nothing.
I thought it was good, but far from great. I think togs like Ross Harvey blow that guy out the water, but that may be just my taste.
well, i never know what to do with my hair as it is always a mess Every hairdresser I have ever been to asks me what I am interested in, I never just sit down and get a #1 all over because that is what the hairdresser prefers.
Just looked at his website. Jesus Christ, that is some beautiful photography.
kd
I thought it was good, but far from great. I think togs like Ross Harvey blow that guy out the water, but that may be just my taste.
They are completely different kind of style.
Sal is more grand, his end results "looks" expensive, a sense of class. A little bit more classical.
Ross has a more friendly style, docu and very now, which I love. Ross uses angles and perspectives that is very original and clever.
They are both good and in different ways, I wouldn't say one blows the other guys out of the water, they both won awards in their own rights.
I watched an episode of Mary queen of shops where that basically happened with an ex award winning hairdresser, although it wasn't quite a one all over.
Basically in the 90's he was cutting edge in hair fashion, but things went downhill.
However his business was turned around by a new niche. He now offers low-cost high fashion doo's based on current trends in fashion.
Now girls wanting hair like cheryl cole and are on a budget got to him.