Israel/Palestine Shenanigans

[dowie]

dunno about that - Israel's own Arab population may well out breed its European Jewish population.... Israel will likely have to undergo some reform or it will be at risk of imploding.

 

[Sho]

 

[bitslice]

17:104
And We said after Pharaoh to the Children of Israel, "Dwell in the land, and when there comes the promise of the Hereafter, We will bring you forth in [one] gathering.

5:21
O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers.

26:59
Thus. And We caused to inherit it the Children of Israel.



Why are the Palestinians squatting in the chosen people's backyard?
Sky Pixie says go away



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[StriderX]

The day conflict ends in the middle east, is the day we start giving a ****.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

Why are the Palestinians squatting in the chosen people's backyard?
Sky Pixie says go away

Which is precisely the problem or a large part of it at least.

 

[Craterloads]

One of the issues often forgotten in this debate when asking why Palestinians do what they do, is Israel has designed it that way and is policy.

Let us approach them and say that we have no solution, that you shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wants to can leave -- and we will see where this process leads. In five years we may have 200,000 less people - and that is a matter of enormous importance." Moshe Dayan

make their life so bitter that they will transfer themselves willingly Binyamin (Benny) Elon

Israel for decades has done everything conceivable possible to make life hard for Palestinians which includes Muslims, Christians and any other non Jewish people. They have systematically destroyed water, power, infrastructure, law and order, by blockades of basic supplies, crops, trees, grazing pastures, sewage plants . They allow abuse of Arabs by settlers and protect them whilst throwing stones, whilst shoot Palestinians or Arabs who do the same. Check points, separation walls, military courts, arresting children, holding political prisoners, collective punishment, discriminatory laws, destroying homes, separating families etc every single thing has been designed to aggravate the native Palestinians until out of despair they leave or lash out giving Israel enough motive to either kill or extend their boundaries a little further.

For example

And all of this talk of “why, why, why did Hamas do this?” Take a look at this list of settler initiated crimes against Palestinians from the last few weeks. What type of superhuman moral restraint do you expect Palestinians to continue? How long must they be intimidated by these thugs before they strike back? How long would Americans tolerate this sort of thuggish behavior before they fought back?

Jerusalem settlers assault 9 year old, parents say

Witnesses: Settlers beat 10-year-old Palestinian girl

Settlers harass family near settlement

Early morning settler attack on Palestinian family in Hebron area

Israeli Settlers Attack Families And The Military Abducts Two In Hebron

Masked settlers attack international peace activists in Hebron

Settlers Assault A Palestinian Woman In Hebron

Police: Family attacked by settlers after car crash

Israeli Settlers Attack Palestinian Farmers Near Salfit

PNI leader attacked by settlers

Witnesses: Armed settler threatens farmers

Dark days in Al Buwayra: a week of settler attacks

When Settlers Attack….Today (And Everyday) In The West Bank

Settlers Attack as a Palestinian Villagers try to Secure Water in the South Hebron Hills, Joseph Dana

East Jerusalem: Settlers Take Over Another House

Official: Settlers uproot 200 olive trees south of Nablus

Armed settler guards attack mosque in Wadi Hilweh, shots fired at Palestinian residents

Price Tag: Settlers riot after structures razed

Witnesses: Settlers raid house, burn crops

PA official: Settlers set fire to village land

Settlers Destroy Farm Lands, Troops Arrest Civilians And Invade Areas In Gaza

Israeli settlers try to seize lands in Jerusalem

Settlers torch farmland east of Nablus

Israeli settlers throw stones at Palestinian car

PA official: Settlers vandalize cars after Hebron shooting

Bus damaged by rocks near Nablus

Israeli army escorts 500 Jewish Israelis into controversial settlement near Nablus

Then on top of that you're dealing with a Prime Ministers like this

"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories." Benyamin Netanyahu

or

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon

What the Palestinians have been put through since the artificial creation of Israel and what they go through on a daily basis, it's an insult when people question "why to Palestinians do such and such"

Israel's "systematic oppression" of the Palestinian people in the West Bank and Gaza appears to constitute the "inhuman" and "degrading" practice of "apartheid," charged a United Nations investigator.

Richard Falk, U.N. Special Rapporteur on Human Rights in the Palestinian Territories, chronicles Israel's human rights abuses in a searing 22-page report to the U.N. Human Rights Council — his final report after six years in the position. "Through prolonged occupation, with practices and policies which appear to constitute apartheid and segregation, ongoing expansion of settlements, and continual construction of the wall arguably amounting to de facto annexation of parts of the occupied Palestinian territory, the denial by Israel of the right to self-determination of the Palestinian people is evident," he writes.

Danny Muller, coordinator for Middle East Children's Alliance, told Common Dreams, "This report further documents the human rights violations committed against Palestinians — violations that happen every day under the US -funded Israeli occupation and apartheid system."

In East Jerusalem, the "revocation of residency permits" and "forced evictions of Palestinian families," as well as targeted demolition of Palestinian homes, amounts to a "gradual and bureaucratic process of ethnic cleansing," Falk writes.

In the West Bank, Palestinians are subject to military law and face systematic violation of their freedom of movement, assembly, and expression, as well as their rights to education and work, according to the report. Meanwhile, Israeli settlers live under a civilian legal code and enjoy rights that Palestinians living in close proximity do not.

The report charges that the "denial and lack of protection of Palestinian children’s rights" is built into the "Israeli military legal regime." An average of 700 Palestinian children are detained and prosecuted every year, and between January to October of 2013, 441 Palestinian children were displaced due to Israeli demolition of their homes, the report states. A tragic 344 children were killed by Israel's "Operation Cast Lead" attack on Gaza in 2008 and 2009, the report notes.

"Can anyone explain why collective punishment against children is allowed to continue?" asked Muller.

Faulk writes that the "unlawful" Israeli blockade of Gaza, combined with the ongoing occupation and continued military incursions, has contributed to "a serious emergency situation... that threatens the entire population." He continues, "The present situation is dire, as massive infrastructural failures cause daily hardship for the population, who are also at risk of epidemics."

Listed under "Acts potentially amounting to segregation and apartheid," Falk includes the "continuing excessive use of force by Israeli security forces (ISF) and a lack of accountability for violations of international humanitarian law and international human rights law." He slams "lethal force against demonstrators," as well as the "policy of targeted killing, which resulted in the killing of 369 Palestinians during the period September 2000 – December 2013." Faulk charges that, "on average, for every person killed as a target of ISF, one or two other persons have been killed in any given operation."

The document, which was reportedly scheduled to be presented to the U.N. Human Rights Council next month, was published last week by pro-Israel group U.N. Watch.

Among several recommendations, Falk urges cessation of trade with settlements, as well as the lifting of the blockade on Gaza. He calls for the International Court of Justice to "assess allegations that the prolonged occupation possesses legally unacceptable characteristics of 'colonialism', 'apartheid' and 'ethnic cleansing.'"

 

[sports_brah]

"Each and every missile launched against Israel constitutes a warcrime against humanity
http://blog.unwatch.org/index.php/2...-israel-constitutes-a-crime-against-humanity/


Palestinian UN Representative.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

Damn good on them for admitting it. If only Israel would realise the very same thing.

Edit: not sure I've understood what he said 100%...

 

[Farore]

17:104
And We said after Pharaoh to the Children of Israel, "Dwell in the land, and when there comes the promise of the Hereafter, We will bring you forth in [one] gathering.

5:21
O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers.

26:59
Thus. And We caused to inherit it the Children of Israel.



Why are the Palestinians squatting in the chosen people's backyard?
Sky Pixie says go away



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All of this makes it perfectly okay to kill Palestinian civilians!! Now, where's my deck chair?

 

[Farore]

I think the fact that the Israeli's seem to be using smart weapons from aircraft (and it appears giving a bit of warning) tends to indicate a specific targeting and an attempt to reduce casualties.

If they wanted to do a "proportional" response to the Hamas rockets they could do it far more cheaply (and safely for their forces) by using some long range artillery and just getting the general area.
As it is each of their weapons probably costs as much as dozens of the hamas rockets.

So they're either trying to deal with the rockets with reduced civilian casualties, don't care about the civilians, or want the civilians dead.

Given their choice of weapons I'm guessing they're trying to do it with reduced civilian casualties, if just for PR reasons.

Unfortunatly, even the (biased) BBC does not agree with you.

You only need to watch the first 10 seconds of this BBC news report video to find this.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152158970572217

Balistic weapons are expensive. Dropping bombs by plane are a lot cheaper.

Ruddimentary Palestinian rockers are a non issue. Most of them have a trajectory for nothing and ones that have even a chance of hitting something of value are dealt with the Iron Dome.

This is an attack to punish the Palestinians for voting for Hamas.

Again I ask, why do people find it hard to accept that:

• Hamas rockets are a pile of ineffective crap and they are no match for the Israeli military.
• Although Hamas are desperate against Israel, they should not use these rockets as they can land anywhere (and usually do without incident) and hurt innocent people. But they have not hurt anyone so far.
• Around 200 Palestinians civilians have died. These are people with names and stories just as intricate and fascinating as your own.
• Palestinians are PEOPLE, not statistics.
• Israel is indiscriminately killing Palestinian civilians. This includes predominately women and children and people who had nothing to do with the people who abducted and murdered those 3 Israeli teenagers (which was wrong).
• Hamas said they did not have anything to do with those teenagers.
• Israel bombed a home for disabled people.
• Israel has killed entire families. This included mother, father and 4 kids. Some of these families were killed whilst they slept.
• This is not a war, but a massacre. This is an uneven conflict.
• The killing of innocent people, weather Jewish, Muslims, Palestinian or Israeli is WRONG.
• People who applaud the killing of innocent people need their heads checked.
• People who can not condemn the killing of innocent people need their heads checked.

 

[bitslice]

All of this makes it perfectly okay to kill Palestinian civilians!! Now, where's my deck chair?

You do know that was the Quoran that I was quoting?

So you tell me why God wants the Jews to live in the crappest part of the world. Maybe he hates Jews too?

 

[Farore]

You do know that was the Quoran that I was quoting?

So you tell me why God wants the Jews to live in the crappest part of the world. Maybe he hates Jews too?

I don't know! Maybe you can tell me?! Maybe he hates Muslims and Palestinians too! Maybe he will give us those deck chairs so we can sit on the illegal settlements built on hills on Sderot and watch the fireworks! Damn those Palestinians, we have to watch them from so far away. They get to see them right up close. I'm so jealous!

I also enjoy presenting my self as a scholar, reading lines from books, quoting them out of content and then using my imagination to invent stories that fit my narrative! We can start a club!

But on a serious note, just stop trying to do Hasbara. Please. Stop trying to explain the unexplainable. The killing of innocent civilians is wrong (and in this case, they happen to be Palestinians) and ANYTHING you say can NOT change that. Quote me the bible. Quote me the Qoran. Keep quoting things till you are blue in the face. But before I am an athiest, a Jew, a Muslim or a Christian, I AM A HUMAN.
You can delude your self but you can't delude others. Just stop it. It offends my, and others intellect. You don't have to be a pro-Palestinan to notice that. Just an intelligent human being.

No offence dude, but you have successfully portrayed yourself as a heartless individual without the ability to accept reason and most importantly, HUMANITY. You lack the respect of most people who read your posts and are, at least right now, not worth talking to. I hope you can come to your senses because somewhere in there, you are still a human and you still have the capacity to feel for innocent people who are killed. I do believe in you.

 

[bitslice]

You only need to watch the first 10 seconds of this BBC news report video to find this. Ballistic weapons are expensive. Dropping bombs by plane are a lot cheaper.

Not sure what that video proves? The Israeli F-15/16's all carry laser guided bombs and the conventional bombs are still accurate if you can cruise by at 1000ft.
Even their M109 Howitzers are good for a 10m radius. If they hit something, they meant to hit it.

quoting them out of content

Actually that was pulled from a muslim talking about whether or not muslims hating jews was a valid theological position. Not sure how that makes it out of context? Good luck if you can understand it though.

you have successfully portrayed yourself as a heartless individual

Is it necessary to get excited about every single war that happens? Frankly far more people die on the road in the UK but I don't rage against that either.

I can see why you guys take sides because these are fellow muslims getting dumped on, but to me this is just what muslims seem to like doing on a weekend? I have literally never seen a muslim without an AK47 or an angry banner telling me about how Islam will rule the world.
You guys even get angry about clothing and whether women should drive cars or not, I'd expect to have less weird conversations with a little green man from Mars.

Besides, you are talking to the wrong bloke really, if someone killed my cat I'd gut them on the spot, other than that, meh

 

[Farore]

bla bla bla F16's, M109 Howitzers, stone throwing Palestinians are a threat to Israel.

I have literally never seen a muslim without an AK47 or an angry banner telling me about how Islam will rule the world.

Oh yeah me too!! Every time I go for a hospital appointment, I see Muslim doctors and other health care staff with AK47, RPG and goats. (Seriously though, what's with the goats? In a hospital?) But I guess the UK can do without those Muslims, right? The world, the UK and the NHS can do without them.

I do genuinely feel sorry for you. Have a nice life.

 

[bitslice]

Oh yeah me too!!

Why do you keep rewriting quotes?
It's a bit childish tbh

And nope, never seen a muslim in a hospital, sorry.

 

[Craterloads]

Oh yeah me too!! Every time I go for a hospital appointment, I see Muslim doctors and other health care staff with AK47, RPG and goats. (Seriously though, what's with the goats? In a hospital?) But I guess the UK can do without those Muslims, right? The world, the UK and the NHS can do without them.

I do genuinely feel sorry for you. Have a nice life.

It's odd he assumes everyone who disagrees with his warped opinions is Muslim, pretty much in every thread. It astounds him sometimes when he learns they aren't, but why you would go out of your way to find the Muslim in the first place? Does he think it strengthens his position?

Whether you are or not is irrelevant as the topic is not really effected by the fact, rather one of humanity.

 

[bitslice]

It's odd he assumes everyone who disagrees with his warped opinions is Muslim

Umm, what are you talking about?
I have no idea if Faroe is muslim or not

He likes the deckchair picture, that'll all I know.


oh, the 'you guys' bit, that's me talking to the group, I see what you are saying now


...Not sure why you feel the need to run around the thread and talk about me, makes me feel like I'm watching one of those films about bitchy American schoolgirls. Why not post a point or ignore me, either way I'm not here to join your little clique.

 

[zoomee]

No your here to misquote verses which you have no clue about - to try and make a skewed pro-israeli point - anything that goes against Islam correct?

Nothing to see here from bitslice then - usual anti-islamic hatred stuff, as per every other muslamic thread

A lot of peeps don't know that palestinians are also christian not just muslims (used to be a third christian). Unfortunately the majority of christian palestinians were forced to flee to other countries years ago, so we rarely here about the fact the Israelis are anti-gentile (a non-jew) - not just anti-arab.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27883685

Their racism runs deeper than just against muslims.

"The Christians in the west, most of them, they don't know the realities here. They don't know who is occupying who, who is oppressing who, who is confiscating whose land, who is building walls to try and separate people from one another," Alex Awad, who also pastors East Jerusalem Church, told The Christian Post.

"In the United States and much of Europe people — they just don't understand the realities on the ground," he added.

According to Awad, the reality is that the root causes of the Gaza conflict date back further than the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers. Instead, he blames Israel for not following through with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry's plan under which the country was required to free Palestinian prisoners, whom he suggested were unfairly imprisoned after protesting the West Bank settlements. Awad believes that its failure to follow through with this condition enraged an already angered (and economically deprived) Palestinian population. He also called the current fighting a "cover-up" for the settlements and a diversion to focus attention to Gaza, even as the real crisis took place in the West Bank.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/p...dont-understand-gaza-israeli-conflict-123272/

 

[zoomee]

And lets put things into context further:

Berlin wall compared to the Israeli wall.

 

[ilcp]

first it was:
all muslims are worthless and havent done anything - this got disproved
Palestinians havent done anything - this got disproved too..

and: "i dont care if the babies are dying, its something i have to live through to feel emotion" or some crap like that..

Now it is back to the Quran.. how a palestinian conflict has gone back to the Quran.

why are you all feeding the troll who will never change his mind/way..