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In 2005 I did something similar and I crashed, but I was forced to miss the next race" - @lorenzo99 shares his views on #SepangClash ruling
Maybe why Lorenzo isn't happy
Maybe why Lorenzo isn't happy
MOTOGP 2015
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Agreed 100%.
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Wonder if this will get reviewed?
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Wished we could have seen Lorenzo losing it in the office 
Lorenzo should just take a back seat and not say a word. Roll on the last race.
Lorenzo should just take a back seat and not say a word. Roll on the last race.
Utterly disgusting by Rossi, he should be disqualified and banned for Valencia. You simply cannot go around kicking other riders off cos you get wound up.
Capirossi Harada 98? blatant tbone and nothing was done. Race control have always preserved a damage limitation scenario, and thus it has proved this time as well. Can't condone Rossi's actions, pretty much unforgivable, but MM provoked the action. On the moto gp website, there was footage where MM was lifting early apparently and making unnecessary hard moves on Rossi. Make no mistake, MM was looking to play his part in deciding this championship and probably has done.
Rossi's comments in the presser def fired MM up, and to his detriment (Rossi's). There have been many incidents this year where MM has come very close to taking out other riders. I feel MM needs a good talking to about professionalism. He as well as Rossi have brought the sport into disrepute. Lorenzo does himself no favours either, with his post race antics.
If Rossi somehow manages to win this Championship, it will be the best scenario for me, not that will be ideal. Can't believe JL is going to appeal, especially after his pass under waved yellows!! A poor, controversial race from it's biggest stars. Kudos to Dani for his win. That lad can hold his head up high, lot of respect for that man.
Mike Webb:
“I'm not going to quote what the riders said in the healing but I can give you a general idea,” Webb began. “So from what we saw it would appear to be a deliberate move on Rossi's part to push Marquez off the track, or push him wide.
“We heard from both riders. Marquez told us that he was just riding his normal race and minding his own business, making passes on Valentino without contact. Which is true. And that he had no intention of disturbing Valentino.
“Valentino on the other side said it was clear to him that Marc was deliberately slowing down the pace and making it difficult for Valentino to race. That he deliberately ran wide in the turn in order to give himself an advantage in order to get away from Marquez.
“Finally, we actually believe there is fault on both sides. Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino. However he didn't actually break any rules. Whatever we think about the spirit of the championship, according to the rule book he didn't make contact. His passes were clean. He rode within the rules.
“Valentino reacted to what he saw as provocation from Marquez and unfortunately his reaction was a manoeuvre that was against the rules. It's irresponsible riding causing a crash. We believe the contact was deliberate. He says he did not want Marquez to crash, but he did want to run him wide.”
And there you have it. Race control must have evidence enough to see that MM was riding to affect the pace of Rossi. I felt that it was also the case in PI. Bottom line though, is Rossi has to be quick enough to eliminate any impact from MM negatively. Valencia is going to be a very hard race for him now. Appeals won't have no effect on the outcome, that is for sure.
“I'm not going to quote what the riders said in the healing but I can give you a general idea,” Webb began. “So from what we saw it would appear to be a deliberate move on Rossi's part to push Marquez off the track, or push him wide.
“We heard from both riders. Marquez told us that he was just riding his normal race and minding his own business, making passes on Valentino without contact. Which is true. And that he had no intention of disturbing Valentino.
“Valentino on the other side said it was clear to him that Marc was deliberately slowing down the pace and making it difficult for Valentino to race. That he deliberately ran wide in the turn in order to give himself an advantage in order to get away from Marquez.
“Finally, we actually believe there is fault on both sides. Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino. However he didn't actually break any rules. Whatever we think about the spirit of the championship, according to the rule book he didn't make contact. His passes were clean. He rode within the rules.
“Valentino reacted to what he saw as provocation from Marquez and unfortunately his reaction was a manoeuvre that was against the rules. It's irresponsible riding causing a crash. We believe the contact was deliberate. He says he did not want Marquez to crash, but he did want to run him wide.”
And there you have it. Race control must have evidence enough to see that MM was riding to affect the pace of Rossi. I felt that it was also the case in PI. Bottom line though, is Rossi has to be quick enough to eliminate any impact from MM negatively. Valencia is going to be a very hard race for him now. Appeals won't have no effect on the outcome, that is for sure.
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Surely the bbc's headline about this is wrong 'Rossi disqualified for kicking Marquez off bike' he's not been disqualified from anything!
Race direction bottled it , no surprise there then.
The only good thing is that yellow clown wont be celebrating anything. No respect at all for idotic stunts like that.
Rossi started it and it backfired on him , tough.
Many said the same about Senna and the prost Crash in Japan, and he admitted he did it on purpose....A clown he was not! Rossi has pretty much dragged the sport to where it is now, despite the efforts of JL, CS, etc to make it dull. Without Rossi, the sport would have died, a long time ago. There is a fundamental reason why every race is a home race for VR.
This looks like a slightly different angle on the one I have seen. Does MM move in on Rossi? who instigates the first contact here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2DiV26-jqs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2DiV26-jqs
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Yeah, it's a mistake. In the opening line of the article they say he has been penalised which I suspect is what they meant to say in the headline.
Hardly, it's six of one, half a dozen of another.In disrepute you mean
No one knows if it was deliberate, you don't actually see the knee make contact with the bars.
So it's inconclusive whether he was trying to knock him off, might of been putting out his knee in a gesture to tell Marquez to back off.
That Marquez is a slimy little boy and it wouldn't surprise me if him and Lorenzo have their own little agenda to keep the title in Spain
As Lorenzo sure threw his toys out of the pram when the race control decision didn't go to plan.
My opinion is this was planned by the both of them to get Rossi rattled, so he would do something rash, which I must add he has history of.
I'm sure rossi's lawyers will be basing their appeal on that, as if they where in cahoots with each other, that could be considered cheating and bringing the sport into disrepute.
Rossi's comment in press conference where clearly true Marquez was slowing him down on purpose even Inanonne agreed with that and he was in the same battle.
So this clearly goes a lot deeper than what happened today.