Brexit thread - what happens next

Uther · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:42

Harlequin said:
make no mistake sturgeon hates England and wants out of the union

She does, but a lot of out voters in the indy ref are saying they would not vote out again because they don't want to be an independent nation but then be in the EU.
That's not independence to them.

do_ron_ron · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:43

Raymond Lin said:
But we will have no say in the laws that EU passes which if Norway is an example, we have to adopt 75% of them and it will really be like they are telling us what to do. Whereas before we might get outvoted but at least we had a say before.

Or we might negotiate an opt out as we have done before.

GizF1 · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:43

Mauller said:
The way I see things now, it might not fix migration, but sovreignty and law making would be fully in our own hands, is to rejoin the EFTA and go down that route. We might need to pay a similar or slightly smaller amount than we already do into the eu, but we would be exempt from many areas of eu legislation. Companies trading would still need to comply with eu standards but it leaves the other 94% of uk business free from the same legislation.

One caveat is that freedom of movement might need to stay for a while, but joint with the other EFTA members, we could negotiate limit on migration as a block.

Some reading that talks on the subject. It would also mean gaining back our fishing waters as EFTA states are not subject to the common fisheries policy. Nor would we be subject to the current legislation covering local business.

http://www.eu-facts.org.uk/2016/04/...ould-be-better-for-the-uk-than-eu-membership/

So we negotiate a limit with Iceland Norway, Switzerland,and Liechtenstein?

The amount of migrants we get from those countries must be staggering

Giz

D3K · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:44

anticonscience said:
Just thought I would check-in with my old pal the Daily Mail to see how he is doing today, I mean I can agree with this.

I think you missed the news about Farage, and the creator of the petition with 3m signatures, wanting a revote if it went the other way...

Gilly · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:44

dowie said:
no they won't

they don't even have a platform... it is a scattered minority of skinheads, they have no voice - best they can do is try stunts like that banner and some leaflets to Polish people

they're not representing leave voters

You're right that they're representing themselves and not all leave voters, but the leave campaigners have allowed this to happen IMO.

Sankari · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:44

You know the racism is real when even the Daily Mail reports it without adding, 'We need more of this!'

Vtec9k · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:44

Uther said:
She does, but a lot of out voters in the indy ref are saying they would not vote out again because they don't want to be an independent nation but then be in the EU.
That's not independence to them.

Source?

Warbie · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:45

Evangelion said:
[color=yellow]- removed - too much ...f images.[/QUOTE] That's properly messed up.

D3K · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:45

scorza said:
The SNP are stoking the uncertainty and decisiveness because it plays to their advantage - their aim is to get English people hating Scottish people and vice versa. Salmond's performance on Question Time yesterday was a disgrace. History will not judge them kindly.

It's not a conspiracy that SNP want Scotland out. It's just that for the first time, their reasons are 100% valid.

GizF1 · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:45

Harlequin said:
no I replied to a comment regarding migration - do you even read the posts here??

Well yeah because you were replying to my reply...

Sankari · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:46

.Trooper. · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:46

dowie said:
no they won't

they don't even have a platform... it is a scattered minority of skinheads, they have no voice - best they can do is try stunts like that banner and some leaflets to Polish people

they're not representing leave voters

I don't see any prominent leave figures condemning the racist and xenophobic attacks yet. If you think externally people won't relate the attacks to the leave campaign, you may be surprised because it's already happening.

Trust me, I'm the last one who wants to blow it up into something bigger than it is. I hope it is a scattered few people who will sit down once told to shut up. But we shouldn't be so easy to dismiss it as 'ah it's nothing just let it blow over.'

Harlequin · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:47

GizF1 said:
Well yeah because you were replying to my reply...

well yes - I was supplying the source which shows that the eu does fine those who wont take there `quota` - I didn't mention the uk then or now

Mauller · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:47

GizF1 said:
So we negotiate a limit with Iceland Norway, Switzerland,and Liechtenstein?

The amount of migrants we get from those countries must be staggering

Giz

Not with those countries, those countries and us if we joined negotiating on free movement limitations with the EU. Since as a block we would be one of the biggest trading partners with the EU so would have more sway.

n111ck · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:48

Warbie said:
That's properly messed up.

Tweets and facebook comments - really?

I get Remain voters want to promote division but trying to imply that a bunch of keyboard warriors as representatives of millions of people is ridiculous.

Glaucus · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:48

platypus said:
Tory spin...I said many a time the best thing that happened to uk politics in a long while was the coalition.

me to, and I was dead against coalitions and it ended up being for the wrong reason. I thought government wouldn't be able to compromise and work together, but they did. what didn't work is the public couldn't handle it.

Harlequin · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:49

Combat squirrel said:

well it would need more than 36% of the `yoof` to actually go and vote . doesn`t matter If 100% of them want to remain , if they don't go and vote!

also seen that 7% of leavers want to change vote - and 4% of remainer want to change

Judgeneo · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:49

Glaucus said:
me to, and I was dead against coalitions and it ended up being for the wrong reason. I thought government wouldn't be able to compromise and work together, but they did. what didn't work is the public couldn't handle it.

Yeah, lib dem voters in particular saw it as a betrayal. Shame really, I thought it was the best government we've had in a long time.

bam0 · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:49

Psi Jay said:
People really need to get a grip and stop blaming, claiming and complaining. It's done, the decision has been made, it's time to move on and work together and see it through. What will destroy us is all the in-fighting, not the exit itself.

What happened to the British stiff upper lip? From here it looks like it's hanging on the floor waiting to be trodden on.

Not a chance, until article 50 is invoked all that's happened is a non binding referendum has been had. I'm not going move on until there is absolutely no other choice.

XeNoN89 · 27 Jun 2016 at 10:50

Gilly said:
You're right that they're representing themselves and not all leave voters, but the leave campaigners have allowed this to happen IMO.

How have we allowed it to happen? If we voted to stay in these racist retards would still be racist retards and it would only be a matter of time before they find another reason to act out on their stupid views