Armed men take French hostages in Rouen church

Dis86 · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:04

RaohNS said:
Priest was ordained in 1958 and was beheaded.

86year old Jacques Hamel.

Tragic and sickening.

Nate75 · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:09

Going to have to start putting armed guards on the doors at churches

MookJong · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:09

robfosters said:
They are not part of the military wing but it's obvious they are being heavily influenced by IS propaganda and are pledging allegiance to them. These attacks are their duty to IS.

It wouldn't stop completely, but wiping IS off the face of the earth may in the long run reduce attacks. Hell, if it saves one innocent life it's worth it.

Wipe out IS and it will simply be done under another Islamic name. Were the attacks we saw before the Syrian war in the name of IS? No but they still happened.

robfosters · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:09

Judging by the lack of noted left wingers on this thread, even they have given up the ghost now with their Islam defending.

robfosters · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:10

MookJong said:
Wipe out IS and it will simply be done under another Islamic name. Were the attacks we saw before the Syrian war in the name of IS? No but they still happened.

There was not nearly as many though.

Metallifux · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:10

Avenged7Fold said:
I would be shocked to the core if this was carried out by men

I'd be more shocked if it was women, but they are probably being subjugated somewhere.

do_ron_ron · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:11

CREATIVE!11 said:
Religion of......?

Really, do you know more than the French police at present?

StriderX · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:12

Its only going to get worse, the terrorism breeds fear which kills the only industry the middle east has - Tourism.

A lot of businesses have already closed in North Africa as people simply holiday in Europe or elsewhere instead.

That is a lot of people that could potentially become migrants/sympathizers.

robfosters · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:12

Oh for goodness sakes. The men beheaded their victim and shouted allahu Akbar on the step of the church and the sky presenter says we have no idea of their motives. I give up.

Tosno · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:13

Avenged7Fold said:
I would be shocked to the core if this was carried out by men

Terrible combination men mixed with Islam.

Like men are awful enough (especially white cis males) but mixed with Islam is like on steroids.

Evian · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:13

92 year old priest.. Very sad.

[FnG]magnolia · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:13

robfosters said:
Judging by the lack of noted left wingers on this thread, even they have given up the ghost now with their Islam defending.

Or simply thinking about a tragedy.

Your finger pointing is obscene.

Puzzled · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:13

MookJong said:
Honestly, it can't be long till we become numb to these attacks...but we shouldn't let that happen.

I don't know what can be done, but the media, the politicians and the Islamic leaders need to start having the big debate out in the open like adults. We can't just pretend there isn't an issue here.

Sadly I believe any action taken by Western governments will only impede on the freedoms of the average joe and have sod all impact on the scum who organise these attacks (Internet surveillance, ISP records, ban on encryption etc).

RIP to the victims, the attackers can burn in hell.

Xordium · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:15

It seems I am saying I don't understand this world at times - yet again.

I am truly sorry for the victims and their families and friends.

do_ron_ron · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:17

robfosters said:
They are not part of the military wing but it's obvious they are being heavily influenced by IS propaganda and are pledging allegiance to them. These attacks are their duty to IS.

It wouldn't stop completely, but wiping IS off the face of the earth may in the long run reduce attacks. Hell, if it saves one innocent life it's worth it.

Which will spawn yet another group and gain the supporters and more importantly rich financial backers in some of the countries in the middle east. Of course had the US/UK not meddled in Iraq/Afghanistan then the problem would be tiny by comparison. Reap what you sow.

Crpwned · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:17

[FnG]magnolia;29830333 said:
Or simply thinking about a tragedy.

Your finger pointing is obscene.

This.

Your clumsy attempt to make it into a cheap "Right vs Left" point scoring exercise is pathetic.

RIP to the victims of this tragedy.

robfosters · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:18

[FnG]magnolia;29830333 said:
Or simply thinking about a tragedy.

Your finger pointing is obscene.

So easy for you to say sitting and safe and sound thousands of miles away.

momentimori · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:18

It looks like Hollande will be voted out in the presidential election next year.

RaohNS · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:19

Needed to post this for the big picture:

French Terrorism (all terrorism has been Islamic since the first date):
15/03/2012
2 dead by Islamist

19/03/2012
5 dead by same above Islamist

07/01/2015
14 dead by AlQaeda (Charlie Hebdo)

09/01/2015
5 dead by ISIS

26/06/2015
1 dead by Islamist

21/08/2015
5 wounded when Islamist opened fire on train (subdued and beaten unconscious)

13/11/2015
137 dead and 386 wounded by ISIS (press suppression of gruesome torture and killings)

13/06/2016
2 dead by ISIS

14/07/2016
84+ dead and 202 wounded by ISIS

26/07/2016
1 or 2 by ISIS

Total: 251 deaths.

do_ron_ron · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:21

robfosters said:
Oh for goodness sakes. The men beheaded their victim and shouted allahu Akbar on the step of the church and the sky presenter says we have no idea of their motives. I give up.

Source.