Brexit thread - what happens next

Narj · 2 Aug 2016 at 00:14

dlite said:
These are the kind of arguments that I have hard time understanding, as I just don't see the logic behind them. Why wealth redistribution on certain arbitrary scale makes sense, but on some other arbitrary scale doesn't?

If you feel that way then that's great. I know we're not close friends or anything, but can you send over a few grand as I could really use a new car and a new graphics card?

Human nature, sense of common purpose. We're a bunch of generally awkward, stubborn people in the UK but tend to stick together quite well as Brits.

V F · 2 Aug 2016 at 00:55

scorza said:
Not really - if she doesn't think she can win a second referendum she'll drop her calls for one and say it wasn't possible because of Westminster. Scottish voters will continue to lap it up.

Not really? Since the vote she has been acting like a petulant child.

ThePirateHulk · 2 Aug 2016 at 01:04

V F said:
Not really? Since the vote she has been acting like a petulant child.

In what way?

V F · 2 Aug 2016 at 01:12

The tone. She was practically one step away from stamping her feet going on and on about another referendum playing politics because of Brexit. Just about everyday she was on TV about it.

ThePirateHulk · 2 Aug 2016 at 01:19

So she it being "petulant" because she is trying to stand up for the majority of the Scottish voters who want to remain members of the EU.

There's no "playing politics" about it. She is representing the will of the Scottish people (i.e. doing her job). If she wasn't fighting tooth and nail for Scotland to remain in the EU it would be a dereliction of duty.

siriq111 · 2 Aug 2016 at 01:53

ThePirateHulk said:
So she it being "petulant" because she is trying to stand up for the majority of the Scottish voters who want to remain members of the EU.

There's no "playing politics" about it. She is representing the will of the Scottish people (i.e. doing her job). If she wasn't fighting tooth and nail for Scotland to remain in the EU it would be a dereliction of duty.

+1

momentimori · 2 Aug 2016 at 03:06

ThePirateHulk said:
So she it being "petulant" because she is trying to stand up for the majority of the Scottish voters who want to remain members of the EU.

There's no "playing politics" about it. She is representing the will of the Scottish people (i.e. doing her job). If she wasn't fighting tooth and nail for Scotland to remain in the EU it would be a dereliction of duty.

The United Kingdom voted to leave. Scotland is not sovereign and therefore bound by the decision. The only way that can change is they become independent.

What would have happened if the referendum had gone the other way and Scottish voters were responsible for overriding the democratic wishes of England? Would English politicians have a right to be angry at the Scots or, possibly, to threaten to expel them from the UK?

ThePirateHulk · 2 Aug 2016 at 03:31

momentimori said:
The United Kingdom voted to leave. Scotland is not sovereign and therefore bound by the decision. The only way that can change is they become independent.

What would have happened if the referendum had gone the other way and Scottish voters were responsible for overriding the democratic wishes of England? Would English politicians have a right to be angry at the Scots or, possibly, to threaten to expel them from the UK?

If that had happened then i expect there would have been much wailing and stamping of feet from much of England.

Brizzles · 2 Aug 2016 at 06:20

The Scotch ( just to be annoying

) , have long wanted to be self governing and treated as a seperate state/country, so has Wales, but perhaps not quite so vocally.

Now would be a perfect time to let this happen.

Lets see how strong your independant economies are without England.

I have no animosity towards either the Scottish or Welsh, let the nationals decide their future.

I can't see how either country , as an independant, would survive though

A dependancy on oil prices and tourism is hardly grounds for a stable economy

ThePirateHulk · 2 Aug 2016 at 06:37

Brizzles said:
A dependancy on oil prices and tourism is hardly grounds for a stable economy

Do you honestly believe that that's all Scotland has going for it?

Brizzles · 2 Aug 2016 at 06:47

ThePirateHulk said:
Do you honestly believe that that's all Scotland has going for it?

Personally, yes.

I don't see Scotland as global leaders in any market, so how would they sustain themselves ?

ThePirateHulk · 2 Aug 2016 at 06:57

Brizzles said:
Personally, yes.

Then all hope of a sensible conversation are lost.

I don't see Scotland as global leaders in any market, so how would they sustain themselves ?

So if a country is not a global leader in any markets then they can't sustain themselves? What a load of tosh!

Brizzles · 2 Aug 2016 at 07:03

ThePirateHulk said:
So if a country is not a global leader in any markets then they can't sustain themselves? What a load of tosh!

Show me different then, educate me ?

Show me that Scotland is a thriving self sufficient nation and i will be enlightened.

It's the same old political bull**** , that we can do better, until you actually have to prove it - Same as England Labour v Conservative

ThePirateHulk · 2 Aug 2016 at 07:09

Brizzles said:
Show me different then, educate me ?

Show me that Scotland is a thriving self sufficient nation and i will be enlightened.

Are you really saying that every single self-sufficient country in the world is a global leader in at least one field?

What is Luxembourg a global leader in?
What is Sweden a global leader in?
What is Denmark a global leader in?
What is Iceland a global leader in?

These are all countries with a higher GDP per capita than the mighty (global leader) UK.

Brizzles · 2 Aug 2016 at 07:13

ThePirateHulk said:
Are you really saying that every single self-sufficient country in the world is a global leader in at least one field?

What is Luxembourg a global leader in?
What is Sweden a global leader in?
What is Denmark a global leader in?
What is Iceland a global leader in?

These are all countries with a higher GDP per capita than the mighty (global leader) UK.

So you couldn't show me how Scotland would sustain itself, you chose to ignore my question ?

ThePirateHulk · 2 Aug 2016 at 07:27

Brizzles said:
So you couldn't show me how Scotland would sustain itself, you chose to ignore my question ?

Because it was a ridiculous question and just demonstrated that you know precious little about Scotland's economy.

Just a few things off the top of my head.

R&D
Electronics
Renewables
Finance
Food & Agriculture
Textiles
Whisky

Now, answer my questions.

ThePirateHulk · 2 Aug 2016 at 07:31

Here's a wee challenge for you. Where do you believe Scotland's currently sits in the list of nations ranked by GDP per capita?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

scorza · 2 Aug 2016 at 07:32

V F said:
Not really? Since the vote she has been acting like a petulant child.

Since the vote?

It's the SNP - all they do is make mischief which somehow gets Westminster bending over backwards to try and appease them.

Brizzles · 2 Aug 2016 at 07:36

ThePirateHulk said:
Because it was a ridiculous question and just demonstrated that you know precious little about Scotland's economy.

Just a few things off the top of my head.

R&D
Electronics
Renewables
Finance
Food & Agriculture
Textiles
Whisky

Now, answer my questions.

So no figures alongside the list of things i could have guessed, you might aswell of added Golf ,Tartan and Shortbread.

Make it simpler, outgoings/incomings , imports/exports, with England/without England ?

ThePirateHulk · 2 Aug 2016 at 07:42

Brizzles said:
So no figures alongside the list of things i could have guessed, you might aswell of added Golf ,Tartan and Shortbread.

Make it simpler, outgoings/incomings , imports/exports, with England/without England ?

What the hell do you want, a detailed breakdown of Scotland's trade balance? You're looking in the wrong place son. Go and do your own homework.

Now, what are the countries listed above world leaders in? Given that you think it's impossible to be a self-sustaining independent country without being such, I imagine that you'll find that pretty easy to answer.

Also, where do you believe Scotland's GDP per capita fits in the listing I linked to? I'll give you a clue, it's not next to Ghana.