Brexit thread - what happens next

Brizzles · 2 Aug 2016 at 07:46

ThePirateHulk said:
What the hell do you want, a detailed breakdown of Scotland's trade balance? You're looking in the wrong place son. Go and do your own homework.

You're the one arguing that Scotland is sustainable, yet you couldn't provide any figures to back it up.

Point made.

ThePirateHulk · 2 Aug 2016 at 07:47

Because I don't have a detailed breakdown of Scotland's economy at my fingertips that's "point proven".

Even the Scottish government do not have actual figures for anything you are asking for as there is no Scottish treasury and all taxes are paid to Westminster so only they have access to that information.

Why are you still avoiding my questions?

Brizzles · 2 Aug 2016 at 07:57

ThePirateHulk said:
Here's a wee challenge for you. Where do you believe Scotland's currently sits in the list of nations ranked by GDP per capita?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

Nowhere ?

The UK is listed, but not an independant Scotland.

You continue to chuck random snippets to support your arguement, but no figures.

You really should be a politician.

ThePirateHulk · 2 Aug 2016 at 08:01

Brizzles said:
Nowhere ?

The UK is listed, but not an independant Scotland.

You continue to chuck random snippets to support your arguement, but no figures.

You really should be a politician.

Dear god. Do you not understand the concept of a hypothetical?

Brizzles · 2 Aug 2016 at 08:06

ThePirateHulk said:
Dear god. Do you not understand the concept of a hypothetical?

So your entire argument about independance is based on hypothesis ?

Not backed up by any facts, just speculation and guesswork.

Good luck.

Bonjour · 2 Aug 2016 at 08:14

Brizzles said:
So your entire argument about independance is based on hypothesis ?

Not backed up by any facts, just speculation and guesswork.

Good luck.

Pretty much like Brexit, then.

ThePirateHulk · 2 Aug 2016 at 08:30

Brizzles said:
So your entire argument about independance is based on hypothesis ?

Not backed up by any facts, just speculation and guesswork.

Good luck.

Since scotland of not currently an independent country it's all hypothetical.

yonderblue · 2 Aug 2016 at 11:18

Gilly · 2 Aug 2016 at 12:03

Bonjour said:
Pretty much like Brexit, then.

SHOTS FIRED

Cosimo · 2 Aug 2016 at 12:06

yonderblue said:
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Misleading nationalistic claptrap as it's UK income.

datalol-jack · 2 Aug 2016 at 12:07

Gilly said:
SHOTS FIRED

Nobody said the guns were silent on the western front.

I'm just waiting for 'pooled sovereignty in a global world' and 'we're better together than we're apart'.

wildman · 2 Aug 2016 at 12:16

Brizzles said:
So your entire argument about independance is based on hypothesis ?

Not backed up by any facts, just speculation and guesswork.

Good luck.

Welcome to Brexit.

datalol-jack · 2 Aug 2016 at 12:21

wildman said:
Welcome to Brexit.

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior · 2 Aug 2016 at 12:23

The difficulty in suggesting or challenging Scotland post exit from the UK is how long and how intertwined the economies are.
Plenty of businesses are in Scotland because of the union and would not necessarily survive or remain that way post breakout.
Specifically as its my area of expertise, financial services. There is no reason (just like London) that they could not move, certainly some would, or would change their scale.
Some government based departments and also some big UK based buisnesses, such as Sky, employ more in Scotland than Scotland would support (or require) as an independent.
Thats not to say they would move, its just possible that over time the may rebalance.

I am sure Scotland would be successful on its own. What I can never reconcile is how leaving the UK (cos of dem imperialist overlords) is any different to being a very small fish in the sea of the EU is some magic pill for prosperity.

scorza · 2 Aug 2016 at 12:24

yonderblue said:
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Can't comment about the oil thing but the export thing is untrue. Doesn't matter what port something gets shipped out of lol

datalol-jack · 2 Aug 2016 at 12:38

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
The difficulty in suggesting or challenging Scotland post exit from the UK is how long and how intertwined the economies are.
Plenty of businesses are in Scotland because of the union and would not necessarily survive or remain that way post breakout.
Specifically as its my area of expertise, financial services. There is no reason (just like London) that they could not move, certainly some would, or would change their scale.
Some government based departments and also some big UK based buisnesses, such as Sky, employ more in Scotland than Scotland would support (or require) as an independent.
Thats not to say they would move, its just possible that over time the may rebalance.

I am sure Scotland would be successful on its own. What I can never reconcile is how leaving the UK (cos of dem imperialist overlords) is any different to being a very small fish in the sea of the EU is some magic pill for prosperity.

Do a France/UK on a smaller scale and then Sexit?

Though again, if we're are arguing world clout and greater pooled sovereignty, it's still found on the continent. In fact, both Sturgeon and Salmond would argue they'll be getting greater self-determination and freedom in foreign policy than presently, among other things. In the power calculus of Holyrood vs Westminster, unreformed as it remains, versus Holyrood (Indy) vs EUP is a no-brainer for a Scottish nationalist.

If the SNP will be more honest about introducing their own currency, the economic reality in a smaller country and their long-term objectives second time around, they can pull off independence in the end; particularly if we continue on our path down post-truth politics.

Of course, we can just as easily continue playing at this impasse between North and South for decades, blaming each other for xyz for short-term electoral success. Left unchecked, again this can lead to a split in the UK.

dlite · 2 Aug 2016 at 12:53

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
The difficulty in suggesting or challenging Scotland post exit from the UK is how long and how intertwined the economies are.
Plenty of businesses are in Scotland because of the union and would not necessarily survive or remain that way post breakout.
Specifically as its my area of expertise, financial services. There is no reason (just like London) that they could not move, certainly some would, or would change their scale.
Some government based departments and also some big UK based buisnesses, such as Sky, employ more in Scotland than Scotland would support (or require) as an independent.
Thats not to say they would move, its just possible that over time the may rebalance.

I am sure Scotland would be successful on its own. What I can never reconcile is how leaving the UK (cos of dem imperialist overlords) is any different to being a very small fish in the sea of the EU is some magic pill for prosperity.

Lets rephrase it:
Plenty of businesses are in UK because it is part of EU and would not necessarily survive post breakout. Like financial services, where passporting rights make it possible to run much bigger business than UK market alone justifies. Some companies run big portions of their EU operations from UK, which might become unmanageable if chooses to leave the union.

I'm sure UK would be success on its own. What I can never reconcile is how leaving EU (cause of them imperialist overlords), is any different to being a very small fish in the sea of the world is some magic pill for prosperity.

How is this any different?

Scaremongering about scotland leaving is astounding. Sounds 110% like eu referendum campaing.

Calabi · 2 Aug 2016 at 13:07

So who here actually believes that it takes over 5 months to prepare for the negotiations?

David Davis and his department whatever its called, what exactly are they doing? I bet they finished a week ago and are busy browsing the web and playing games.

StriderX · 2 Aug 2016 at 13:19

Calabi said:
So who here actually believes that it takes over 5 months to prepare for the negotiations?

David Davis and his department whatever its called, what exactly are they doing? I bet they finished a week ago and are busy browsing the web and playing games.

Well, it does indeed take time...

But also it gives the EU time to make itself look bad, as that is the default reality for it... a few terrorist attacks, military on the streets, Greece/Italy/France being flat broke.

Biding our time to humiliate them.

datalol-jack · 2 Aug 2016 at 13:26

Davis's is not the only department, and we're looking for more than doing a Brexit on the carpet of Europe and then slamming one through the letterbox on our way out. Hence, yes, time's required aplenty.