Ryzen and Gaming results.

[PhoenixUK]

Also why are people expecting Ryzen to match the 7700k? Where are people getting this from? We've known for over a year that Ryzen will have IPC around Haswell-Broadwell.
Even if clocked 4Ghz - 4Ghz on both, the 7700K should pull ahead on IPC alone; discounting the BIOS, and Scheduler issues.

I simply don't understand where people are getting that from, is it because the 1800X is priced at $500?
Going by price then, why aren't people upset over the 6850K or 6900K losing clock for clock to the 7700K?
It's a tad silly to me.

Same reason why the same people first compared rx 480 to 970 and then after actual release complained that it doesn't beat 980ti or 1070...

Seems like people trying to justify their own purchase/beliefs. I think this has been the case ever since the Internet became widely accessible and cheap.

 

[Sayso]

Considering they were saying Haswell IPC clocked to 3.2Ghz they way it has turned out and the pricing make it a massive success, if only the motherboards were up to scratch. I dont think there will be much gain by the windows update but i would expect to see DDR4 running above 3000 with bios updates to the Mobos.

 

[Doogles]

So difficult to know what to buy, it just makes me sit here with a 3570k hoping that eventually 8 core becomes mainstream and works perfectly, I'm not buying another 4 core chip but not buying 6-8 cores if it doesn't work as intended! DX12 was meant to fix this

 

[gavinh87]

One of my friends works for certain well known tech giant and currently they have a huge team working on quantum computers ( had for last few years) - they actually have working product already but not for mass market... in a 2 or 3 years though all of our current tech could be obsolete anyway.

On a side note, I haven't been following am4 socket much but wouldn't 1700+decent mobo be cheaper than 7700k equivalent?

If you want decent ram speeds then yes. The motherboard side of it is a complete mess at the moment.

 

[Drollic]

So difficult to know what to buy, it just makes me sit here with a 3570k hoping that eventually 8 core becomes mainstream and works perfectly, I'm not buying another 4 core chip but not buying 6-8 cores if it doesn't work as intended! DX12 was meant to fix this

Just sell your chip and drop in an i7 if you're unsure. Decent boost in minimums on quite a few games now. Pound for pound, it's a very good upgrade just comparing cpus.

 

[Doogles]

Just sell your chip and drop in an i7 if you're unsure. Decent boost in minimums on quite a few games now. Pound for pound, it's a very good upgrade just comparing cpus.

Had thought about that but 3770k goes for at least £120, I'd get about £60 for my 3570k and I also want faster RAM. For gaming I'm only noticing slight issues in BF 1 and I mostly only play CS:GO now which gets over 144hz all the time with current setup, Ryzen looks great but really needs to get the gaming performance fixed.

 

[Drollic]

Had thought about that but 3770k goes for at least £120, I'd get about £60 for my 3570k and I also want faster RAM. For gaming I'm only noticing slight issues in BF 1 and I mostly only play CS:GO now which gets over 144hz all the time with current setup, Ryzen looks great but really needs to get the gaming performance fixed.

Even if you have to spend £80-100 it's worth it relative to the gains and cost of new ram, board and cpu. Probably new windows as well if you're oem. That kind of money won't even buy you 16gb of decent ddr4 for a new setup.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Seems like people trying to justify their own purchase/beliefs.

That I never get as well, justify it to whom? Themselves?
Surely now that Ryzen is out it in no way makes their current system worse, not better. It's the same performance it was when they bought it.

I couldn't imagine getting annoyed that Ryzen's 1700 clocked at 4Ghz is better than my 5820K at 4Ghz, or if it was cheaper and matching the 6900K if I had one.

All seems a tad silly to me.

On the gaming note!

Seems if you want the best gaming experience and don't want to wait for Microsoft to update Windows 10, just use 7 and get a 21% increase in minimum FPS in CS:GO; or a 300% increase in Minimums in Deus Ex Mankind Divided

 

[DarkHorizon472]

Considering they were saying Haswell IPC clocked to 3.2Ghz they way it has turned out and the pricing make it a massive success, if only the motherboards were up to scratch. I dont think there will be much gain by the windows update but i would expect to see DDR4 running above 3000 with bios updates to the Mobos.

Thats what i am waiting for to make a final decision memory speed, bios and windows update. The original intel ht needed a Windows update to work effectively.

 

[Scougar]

That I never get as well, justify it to whom? Themselves?
Surely now that Ryzen is out it in no way makes their current system worse, not better. It's the same performance it was when they bought it.

I couldn't imagine getting annoyed that Ryzen's 1700 clocked at 4Ghz is better than my 5820K at 4Ghz, or if it was cheaper and matching the 6900K if I had one.

All seems a tad silly to me.

On the gaming note!

Seems if you want the best gaming experience and don't want to wait for Microsoft to update Windows 10, just use 7 and get a 21% increase in minimum FPS in CS:GO; or a 300% increase in Minimums in Deus Ex Mankind Divided

Why is it performing so much better in Win 7. What is the technical reason?

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Why is it performing so much better in Win 7. What is the technical reason?

My bet is on the Windows 10 scheduler still. Windows 7 was around when Core 2 Duo/Quad was around, and Ryzen's double CCX on die is reminiscent of those to some extent.
Windows 7 also doesn't shuffle thread workloads around as much as 10; so it looks like it's causing a lot of issues, and extra latency.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-performance-negatively-affected-windows-10-scheduler-bug/

 

[AllBodies]

What's up with zen ARMA performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yh9doMXt3I

If you look at the CPU load %'s, you can see Zen has a ridiculous amount left in the tank and is clearly just being threaded wrong by the engine.

It looks like it's practically running on 1 core for some reason.

So software fix should do the trick.

 

[Devrij]

Why is it performing so much better in Win 7. What is the technical reason?

Apparently it's because there weren't cpu specific drivers in w7.

 

[AlamoX]

a 300% increase in Minimums in Deus Ex Mankind Divided

that is clearly a glitch in Deus EX benchmark where a single frame at the start probably hit 16fps, you cannot have the same max and average fps while having that much difference in minimums.

 

[Brazo]

What's up with zen ARMA performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yh9doMXt3I

Arma is a lightly threaded game hence why Zen does so badly.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Brace yourselves for a very long video.
RyZen vs Kabylake vs FX

 

[h4rm0ny]

I feel like people are going mad. Hardly any of this discussion makes sense to me. I'm going to do something I rarely do, and argue by analogy.

To me it seems like Toyota was selling a 4x4 for £24,000 for years and then Land Rover unexpectedly released one that was equivalent or better for £12,000. And then some people started complaining that they took the new Land Rover to a race track for the day and put it against a smaller sports car by Toyota and then started bashing on the 4x4 for not being as fast. And the kicker being that after the track day they take them out onto the roads and have to drive at the speed limit all day long with both of them! The speed limit, in this analogy, being the GPU that is the bottleneck in 98% of real world cases, of course.

It is an 8c/16t chip for less than half the price of Intel's 8c/6t chips. That's amazing. But if you ARE someone who is solely, and purely, interested in gaming all the time (including them not being interested in streaming or recording those games!), then it still matches the Intel equivalent because the difference is marginal and masked by your GPU. Plus in compensation you get greatly expanded future potential and also know that with further optimisations, it's going to continue to improve steadily over the coming months through both optimizations to the OS (guaranteed); optimizations for existing games (dependent on the game but recent and popular games have a good chance, older games less so but they already have lower hardware requirements so it doesn't matter); and newer games will be developed against it anyway.

None of this hysteria about this makes sense to me. Why would someone choose "good enough", when they can have "good enough, plus getting better, plus much more capable in other areas" for the same price? People seem to have really weird expectations of this chip. Plus you can get a 1700 and clock it up near where the 1800X is anyway. People are crazy. Is it just Intel damage control out in force?

 

[N19h7m4r3]

It is an 8c/16t chip for less than half the price of Intel's 8c/16t chips. That's amazing.
Plus you can get a 1700 and clock it up near where the 1800X is anyway. People are crazy. Is it just Intel damage control out in force?

As someone that does more than just gaming, and would love more cores Ryzen is a steal!
Here's the pricing from Caseking compared to Intel's equivalent, and they're a tad higher as well due to low stock.

Even though the 6900K can overclock more, it doesn't offset the ridiculous price difference.
The 1700 will easily reach 4Ghz on the included stock cooler alone.

The performance for price is unbeatable. That is of course if you're not solely gaming and nothing else. In that case just get the best Quadcore for your money; and once Ryzen R5 is out I believe those will be fantastic performance to price as well.

 

[MDPlatts]

@harmony
+1 :thumbs:

 

[Mei]

the 1700 looks awesome
cant wait to see the smaller stuff too tho, for people getting into pc gaming