Is Islam compatible with atheism/lack of belief ?
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Except recently of course, where they peacefully blow up airliners and attacks the Christian Coptic Church regularly murdering hundreds of them.
Most recently at the start of the Holy Month of Ramadan, almost to celebrate by a few murders. Past few days.
One doesn't need to fast if practicing Jihad!
Can you think of a successful religious country that you would want to live in that is better than the country where you currently reside?
I can't.
Religion is not compatible with a free society which is successful, just and endeavours to keep the people's best interests at its core.
No belief in god or gods is the default. It is rational.
Suspending rational thought is dangerous.
I can't.
Religion is not compatible with a free society which is successful, just and endeavours to keep the people's best interests at its core.
No belief in god or gods is the default. It is rational.
Suspending rational thought is dangerous.
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How can one read, if one is female and banned from going to school by the zealots of the subsection of madness?
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I recommend The People vs muhammad: https://www.amazon.co.uk/People-Muhammad-Psychological-Analysis-ebook/dp/B00ZE45LUG
Pray tell me where I'm criticising other religions?
Honestly I'm happy to debate points but i'm just going to ignore posts by you if you spend your time insisting any comment that isn't negative about islam and/or using comparisons and analogues is deflection. It's pointless, it's boring and it takes things way off topic.
That's especially true in threads like this where things that are prevalent throughout society as a whole are brought up as prime examples of why a specific religion is "incompatible" with said society.
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Pray tell me where I'm criticising other religions?
Honestly I'm happy to debate points but i'm just going to ignore posts by you if you spend your time insisting any comment that isn't negative about islam and/or using comparisons and analogues is deflection. It's pointless, it's boring and it takes things way off topic.
That's especially true in threads like this where things that are prevalent throughout society as a whole are brought up as prime examples of why a specific religion is "incompatible" with said society.
What is the more important document, the quran, or (if in the US) the constitution, or the UK legal system?
Honestly it's posts like yours that are prime examples showing the this "issue" extends way beyond those that follow a single religion. There seems to be a deep hatred of muslims by a fair number of Sikhs because of things that happened hundreds of years in the past.
We need to be looking to the future, not living in the past - and that's not just for this issue, but a multitude of other things that are happening at the moment.
The legal system in place in the location you are in. What's your point?
I assume it's going to be some kind of wholesale gross generalisation about muslims believing the koran is more important?
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So you're saying the quran becomes second place. So you ignore the parts of the quran such as 6:114 becomes second place to the UK/USA?
Sorry, what?
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Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.
So what's it to be, your god, or a countries own law which overrides your god?
So:
Was pretty accurate.
So you're saying because it's written in a book it means people will always follow it and it will be completely obeyed by all those that follow that religion?
If you insist on quoting scripture as some kind of panacea then how about:
http://en.islamtoday.net/node/604
Shock horror as a religious book is contradictory and relies on people deciding which parts of it to follow depending on their own opinions and interpretations. Sounds like every other religion, ideology and collective.
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The important point to realise here is that people will continue to believe parts of their scripture despite having been proven to be false in every demonstrable, observable and testable way possible. Ok, not every person believes every single part of their holy book, but that is positive progression towards no person believing any part of any holy book.
The Quran? You must have missed the bit where it is claimed to be the literal and unalterable word of God, there is no contradiction in it, and that it contains no known scientific errors. How can any reformation of Islam take place if it is so blatantly hostile to truth, evidence, logic and reason?
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That is really rather the point for people who believe in a god and believe that the book is the word of that god. Which is what Muslims are supposed to believe. Even orthodox Jews get more wiggle room in that respect.
Sure, most theists take a pick 'n' mix approach to their own religion even though they're not supposed to. Any decent person has to with the Abrahamic religions in particular because those religions contain vile things that no decent person could tolerate. But theists aren't supposed to ignore bits of their own religion that they don't like, Muslims even more so than Jews and Christians.
So you're advocating that religion in general isn't compatible with atheism/lack of belief and western society in general?
In which case to go back to hornetstringers question - if there are no contradictions the Quran says Muslims need to adhere to the laws of the land they live in. So what's the issue? How is Islam not compatible with the west and an atheist/agnostic state when they have been specifically told by god to adhere to the laws of that country. So thread closed, answer provided.
Or perhaps it's all about interpretation after all.
They aren't "supposed to", but it's clearly evident that people do, all the time. Largely it'll be based on the moral and cultural upbringing they had, hence why people born and raised in the west (whether they be Muslim or other) are by and large significantly more liberal than people born and raised elsewhere.
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Ahh yes- this old argument again.
According to a 2010 study and released January 2011, Islam has 1,5 billion adherents, making up over 22% of the world population.
If Islam was a religion of mass murder and suicide bombers and killing all infedels then im sure they would have done that by now.
Lets just get things in persepective.....How many out of that 1.5 billion have blown themselves up...?
According to a 2010 study and released January 2011, Islam has 1,5 billion adherents, making up over 22% of the world population.
If Islam was a religion of mass murder and suicide bombers and killing all infedels then im sure they would have done that by now.
Lets just get things in persepective.....How many out of that 1.5 billion have blown themselves up...?
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No it's not compatible with Atheism....or Christianity, Or Judaism, Or Hinduism, Or Sikhism, Or Buddhism, Or Zoroastrianism, islam is especially not compatible with western civilization/society.
Well over the last 1400 years muslims have killed over 600 million people for not being muslim, 300+ million of those being Indian Hindus when the muslim mughals invaded India from 1000AD to 1500AD, And the death toll rises daily all over the world.
And before anyone cries "but dem crusades" the crusades were in answer to 400 years of islamic invasions of Christian countries which seems to be happening again.
Well over the last 1400 years muslims have killed over 600 million people for not being muslim, 300+ million of those being Indian Hindus when the muslim mughals invaded India from 1000AD to 1500AD, And the death toll rises daily all over the world.
And before anyone cries "but dem crusades" the crusades were in answer to 400 years of islamic invasions of Christian countries which seems to be happening again.
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Your really clutching on straws quoting past history.
The Christians were hanging blacks and Jews up till the 1900s at Clifford's Tower in York.
How many black people did Christians kill over the last 1400 years?
How many Jews have been slaughtered by the Christians over the last 1400 years?
Those Muslim crusades are happening again?? Are you deluded??
Last time I checked the news the Christians were invading Muslim lands...remember Afghanistan & Iraq & Libya. And who armed the so called rebels in Syria......