That again doesn't make any sense - why on earth do they need permission from the accused to look at say texts between the "victim" and say one of her female friends?
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That again doesn't make any sense - why on earth do they need permission from the accused to look at say texts between the "victim" and say one of her female friends?
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The entire thread is talking about and the entire case collapsed on her texts. For two years they didn't disclose 40k lines of her texts in which she brags about the sex to friends, in which she sends him texts asking to get together for a shag. How could his texts exonerate him? He rapes her then pretends it doesn't happen and texts her after isn't proof of anything. Her claiming that say sex on Tuesday the 15th of 2015 was rape, but her texts to friends on Wednesday 16th 2015 say the sex was amazing and then she texts him on the 17th asking for another go around proves he didn't rape her.
The entire reason for the case collapsing is that her texts prove she's lying but weren't released.
The disc referred to is the one with the texts taken from the alleged victim's phone by the police.
Man of Honour
1) I was wrong, I thought the supposed disc belonged to the accused but after just reading an article it is the womans.
2) Regarding your question - The officer thought he couldn't disclose the records which I thought belonged to the accused
Apologies all around.
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Old man not reading correctly.
Looks like the investigating officer in this case has done this sort of thing before.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5196181/Scotland-Yard-review-hundreds-rape-cases.html
The idea that this is all down to the decisions made by one single individual is simply not credible. There has to be more people involved in this quite deliberate and systematic withholding of exonerating evidence.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5196181/Scotland-Yard-review-hundreds-rape-cases.html
The idea that this is all down to the decisions made by one single individual is simply not credible. There has to be more people involved in this quite deliberate and systematic withholding of exonerating evidence.
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Looks like this is going to turn into a full scandal.
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http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...s/news-story/c6ead61baca83a02e954964513ff6b0a
ANOTHER young man accused of rape has been freed after it was revealed police withheld text messages that proved his accuser was “a liar”.
That DPP bint Alison Saunders needs to answer some bright lights and wet towels questions.
ANOTHER young man accused of rape has been freed after it was revealed police withheld text messages that proved his accuser was “a liar”.
That DPP bint Alison Saunders needs to answer some bright lights and wet towels questions.
The poor guy in this one spent four months in prison awaiting trial. Jesus wept.
But this comment intrigues me. What is considered a live case? Will cases of people already found guilty be reviewed? Or are they not considered live cases?
You might be surprised....
Do a time study on how long it might take you to properly review 100 or so text messages sent between strangers. Now multiply this up to circa 40k message and don't forget you'll be reviewing any other messages (email etc) and any photos and videos and their associated meta data on the device to ascertain if they might be 'relevant' to any investigation....
(also don't forget you will be making comprehensive notes as you go as well...and may have to revisit the task if further information comes to light)
Simply put sexual offences are both potentially serious but none the less relatively high volume crimes. The end result is that enquires very quickly end up in pretty much the sole hands of one investigator compared to say murder enquiries (which may actually be far simpler in terms of the complexity of the actual investigation) which generally have whole teams of police officers assigned with a senior officers assigned as being in overall charge and individual officers being assigned separate discrete tasks.... I. E one officer might only deal with cctv, disclosure of unused material or phone work......
Most rape cases have officer doing everything very soon after an investigation is started.
The Crown Prosecution Service do largely have to rely on the police when they are told about any relevant unused material.
I don't think that's a particularly appropriate or useful comment. The current vogue towards a degree of hysteria Re sexual offences and the 'listen and beleive' mentality certainly plays a part in shaping approaches to investigation and prosecution of sexual offences but it's perhaps better if any push back to any issues /excesses in the system is made in a rather more rational, reasoned and polite manner....
I prefer to leave the call for witch hunts, summary justice, sexist name calling and hysteria to the 'advocates' on the other side.....
I don't personally think that Saunders has been a particular good DPP.... beliving she has adopted a large dose of the 'progressive' politics around these days..... But better to critique the ideas where possible
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I wouldn't imagine it'll be that hard to get a retrial of cases where text messages played a part. "Live" or rested.
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Saunders was known to be pro actively trying to increase rape convictions, as well as senior officers specialising in these cases.
Measures aimed at improving the conviction rate for rape in courts in England and Wales have been launched by the Director of Public Prosecutions.
Alison Saunders and the leading national police officer for rape called for a renewed effort to dispel "myths".
The plan includes monitoring the quality of decisions when police decide to drop investigations.
The conviction rate for rape dropped in the last 12 months after five years of steady improvements.
In 2007-08, 58% of cases brought to trial resulted in a conviction. The conviction rate hit a high of 63% in 2011-12 but has since fallen back to 60%.
Separate figures provided to MPs show that the proportion of allegations referred by the police to prosecutors for a decision on whether to go to trial fell in 2012-13, despite a 30% increase in the number of rapes being reported. The most recent figures for 2014 suggest that the referral rate is beginning to rise again.
Police sent 5,400 cases to the CPS in 2012-13, representing 31% of all reports they had received. In 2008-09 the referral rate was 50%.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27726280
Measures aimed at improving the conviction rate for rape in courts in England and Wales have been launched by the Director of Public Prosecutions.
Alison Saunders and the leading national police officer for rape called for a renewed effort to dispel "myths".
The plan includes monitoring the quality of decisions when police decide to drop investigations.
The conviction rate for rape dropped in the last 12 months after five years of steady improvements.
In 2007-08, 58% of cases brought to trial resulted in a conviction. The conviction rate hit a high of 63% in 2011-12 but has since fallen back to 60%.
Separate figures provided to MPs show that the proportion of allegations referred by the police to prosecutors for a decision on whether to go to trial fell in 2012-13, despite a 30% increase in the number of rapes being reported. The most recent figures for 2014 suggest that the referral rate is beginning to rise again.
Police sent 5,400 cases to the CPS in 2012-13, representing 31% of all reports they had received. In 2008-09 the referral rate was 50%.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27726280
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The trouble is , this sort of nonsense has been going on for years
I would have thought that next to perishable physical forensic evidence, the first thing that investigating officers would be looking at would be phone records.
Rape after all is different from most other offenses. Evidence of sex=/= evidence of rape. pretty much the most important part of the investigation is establishing that there is actually an offense to investigate.
Phone records are crucial to this. and yet time after time we have situations like this. It really has been going on for years. Accusations are made . charges brought and the accused are put on hold on bail or even remand, sometimes, quite literally, for years only to have the case dismissed, again sometimes quite literally, at the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour because the day before trial the police finally hand over phone records that exonerate the defendant.
There is absolutely no way in this world that this sort of thing suddenly comes to light after all this time.
It has to have been willfully withheld, as I said, the idea that this is simply some sort of innocent administrative **** up is just uncredable. Especially since it happens so frequently.
If people don't actually end up in prison for perverting/attempting to pervert the course of Justice when this is all over I will be much disappoint.
Not to mention these 40k messages could well be a bit of a red herring, how many of the 40k messages took place years before the two people concerned had even met? for example... surely the ones around the time of the incident would be the ones of most interest and I doubt there are 40k of them... it isn't really going to take too long to look over those.
The reason for all this rape increase is mind control propaganda. It is obvious that there are forces out there who want to criminalise all sex, even fully consensual "no-harm-done" sex. Heck the propaganda is so strong that women who have consented to a sex act decades ago are now having doubts, 10, even 20 years later, just because of some notion that they may have been "used" for purposes of attaining ejaculation.
To find cause of this we need to look at the lies and sex propaganda the young/immature minds are being fed.
"The number of reported sexual offences by under-18s against other under-18s in England and Wales rose by 71%" - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-42398911
Back when I was in school, sex was nothing special. Absolutely NOTHING special, completely insignificant. Everybody was having it, quick BJs behind the mobile classrooms, cunnilingus in the PE cupboards, we were actually allowed to go HOME during lunch time which most people used as sexy time. And the most important thing is: the girls and boys would come back next day looking refreshed and happy as ever! I mean you could tell when someone had had some sexytime just from their faces!
The important thing is the girls back then weren't being fed lies from the Media that all sex is some sort of highly damaging, destructive and evil behaviour which will completely consume and destroy them as a woman both mentally and physically. Sex acts were being given away for FREE, with no mental or physical consequence for the female.
Nowadays, a girl will be asked for a BJ by a fellow, and naturally humans like to explore things, especially each other - so of course they will "go along with it" as mentioned here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-41499243
Except nowadays they will go home and instead of feeling like "wow i engaged in a sexy act today and it was kinda fun" they will log onto the ****ing internet where everybody is jealous, and sites like BBC News where they are being fed stuff like "OH YOU JUST GOT USED HAHA", and then they get depressed and afraid and start feeling anxious about sex and men, this then leads them to assume most men are sex offenders/rapists, then the poor women start looking to feminism and whatnot.
Heck some of the propaganda the youth are being fed is just insane, some of the propaganda out there tries to tell girls that even showing your naked body to another male is just as bad as getting actually raped. And then we wonder why reported sex offences have gone up 71%. We are so stupid.
To find cause of this we need to look at the lies and sex propaganda the young/immature minds are being fed.
"The number of reported sexual offences by under-18s against other under-18s in England and Wales rose by 71%" - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-42398911
Back when I was in school, sex was nothing special. Absolutely NOTHING special, completely insignificant. Everybody was having it, quick BJs behind the mobile classrooms, cunnilingus in the PE cupboards, we were actually allowed to go HOME during lunch time which most people used as sexy time. And the most important thing is: the girls and boys would come back next day looking refreshed and happy as ever! I mean you could tell when someone had had some sexytime just from their faces!
The important thing is the girls back then weren't being fed lies from the Media that all sex is some sort of highly damaging, destructive and evil behaviour which will completely consume and destroy them as a woman both mentally and physically. Sex acts were being given away for FREE, with no mental or physical consequence for the female.
Nowadays, a girl will be asked for a BJ by a fellow, and naturally humans like to explore things, especially each other - so of course they will "go along with it" as mentioned here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-41499243
Except nowadays they will go home and instead of feeling like "wow i engaged in a sexy act today and it was kinda fun" they will log onto the ****ing internet where everybody is jealous, and sites like BBC News where they are being fed stuff like "OH YOU JUST GOT USED HAHA", and then they get depressed and afraid and start feeling anxious about sex and men, this then leads them to assume most men are sex offenders/rapists, then the poor women start looking to feminism and whatnot.
Heck some of the propaganda the youth are being fed is just insane, some of the propaganda out there tries to tell girls that even showing your naked body to another male is just as bad as getting actually raped. And then we wonder why reported sex offences have gone up 71%. We are so stupid.
Caporegime
Aaaaand that's where I stopped reading.
lmao I'm sorry I just love the words mind control and propaganda.