Caporegime
Rip. Glad it's all over.
Alfie Evans...
- Thread starter kindai
- Start date
Associate
- Joined
- 11 Aug 2011
- Posts
- 682
RIP. Such a sad story. I hope that everyone involved can come to terms with what has happened and reach some form of inner peace.
Permabanned
Surely it was ever thus, the utterly predictable has occurred, the unseemly circus is thankfully over, we can
only hope the family will mourn privately and with decorum, but I fear it's not over yet.
only hope the family will mourn privately and with decorum, but I fear it's not over yet.
RIP
For me the whole thing simply highlighted how many awful idiots exist in the world, how all sense of decency gets thrown out of the window, along with all common sense and reason and any ability to control emotion, to the point where we need police in riot vans to protect a hospital, staff and patients.
Some of the people posting on the various pages on facebook, wrote things that just shocked me in a way that I didn't expect, it made me ashamed to be on Facebook. I've never seen so many people single handedly produce so much pure rubbish, in such a vehement but totally misguided way. It was like everyone who ever appeared on the Jeremy Kyle show - suddenly acting as judge jury and executioner as to what should happen next.
What also shocked me was the way in which these people can talk ****, then the media latch onto it, broadcast it all and turn it into a great big emotive story of "parents vs the state" - which of course generates more of the same and they end up monetising it.
It brought out the dregs in society (I include the US/UK politicians and religious fanatics pitching in as dregs also) , and I fear the next time the hard reality of medicine bites - we'll see the same, because the whole thing gets simultaneously turned into a cash cow by the media, and a political vehicle by morally bankrupt cretin politicians.
For me the whole thing simply highlighted how many awful idiots exist in the world, how all sense of decency gets thrown out of the window, along with all common sense and reason and any ability to control emotion, to the point where we need police in riot vans to protect a hospital, staff and patients.
Some of the people posting on the various pages on facebook, wrote things that just shocked me in a way that I didn't expect, it made me ashamed to be on Facebook. I've never seen so many people single handedly produce so much pure rubbish, in such a vehement but totally misguided way. It was like everyone who ever appeared on the Jeremy Kyle show - suddenly acting as judge jury and executioner as to what should happen next.
What also shocked me was the way in which these people can talk ****, then the media latch onto it, broadcast it all and turn it into a great big emotive story of "parents vs the state" - which of course generates more of the same and they end up monetising it.
It brought out the dregs in society (I include the US/UK politicians and religious fanatics pitching in as dregs also) , and I fear the next time the hard reality of medicine bites - we'll see the same, because the whole thing gets simultaneously turned into a cash cow by the media, and a political vehicle by morally bankrupt cretin politicians.
I guess there will be a big funeral with a huge crowd outside, some sort of rally too perhaps and I guess a campaign for "Alfie's law" next. I doubt this will be the last we'll see of these people in the news.
You're a slow learner. You've only just started discovering this? Apparently so since you were so shocked.
The media are untouchable since Leveson in this country. They're effectively god now and it'll only get worse as years passes.
So, were any of Alfies organs donated or considered for donation?
Fox News is just appealing to their primary audience which is anti-socialised health care, it's just about framing it in such a way that socialism is evil because it will appeal to their demographics
Soldato
- Joined
- 25 Nov 2005
- Posts
- 12,451
Or it's just the next step on the journey, if you think you just cease to exist entirely after death then what does it matter how your life is lived, after all you will have no memories of that life or feelings it will just be nothing, there seems little point in even attempting to live life if it's simply a passing moment in time that ceases to exist once you die.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/he...-machine-turned-off-could-have-recovered.html
You might find it distasteful but it doesn't mean that others should be denied the freedom of choice, yourself and others who are against euthanasia are effectively forcing your opinion onto others by blocking their right to choose, while having the right to choose forces no opinion on anybody
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...-court-decision-severe-illnesses-life-support
You can't just take the decision yourself to switch off life support, it is illegal without consultation and agreement of all parties (not including the patient ironically)
If that ventilation would keep them alive then yes you are euthanising them by consciously making a decision to not offer them treatment
It is called passive Euthanasia and it exists whether you agree with it or not
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/euthanasia/overview/activepassive_1.shtml
They are very particular about taking organs. The fact the doctorss did not even really know what the poor lad had, i doubt he would have been viable for organ donation. Also deciding to allow your child to be used as an organ donor is a very tough decision to make, as once they have passed, you only get a few minutes with them before they have to be taken away for what ever organs to be removed. We wanted to do so with my daughter, but because of how aggresive the cancer was, the docotrs could not be sure it hadn't spread etc...plus once we were told we would only have a minute or 2 with her after she had gone, that was just too hard a thought to have to go through with, so in the end we were quite relieved that they told us that she could not be a donor, as much as we wanted to be able to help another family in our position
Caporegime
RIP little man
Soldato
Poor lad, RIP.
Hence the stories that get created to reassure each other and discourage thinking too hard about it.
The purpose you can find in life is living for the future of others while keeping yourself comfortable. Keeping the bubble of life going is all that matters.
Don't think too hard about it. I'm blowing as much smoke as anyone else. Important thing is to latch onto something which keeps you mentally comfortable through your life.
There's the safe bet and there's the unsafe bet. That's all it comes down to.
Caporegime
And to remember his death, they engaged in mass litering. These people.
Caporegime
RIP
Caporegime
Firstly this didn’t answer my question. Has anyone ever been found guilty of murder for stopping life support like you suggested? Secondly it is not illegal to withdraw intensive care against the families wishes, as this case shows.
Passive euthanasia and active euthanasia are vey different. I’m not sure what your point is. Passive euthanasia whilst not a term used frequently in medical ethics happens daily in the UK.
Soldato
It's Alder Hey, they have form for taking infant body parts without consent.....