Assange to go!

tang0 · 19 Oct 2018 at 21:18

Evangelion said:
A timeline of Wikileaks' secret collusion with the Trump campaign, complete with the lies they told the public to conceal their true activities.

(Source).

I think the most pathetic part is where Assange grovels for an ambassador position and literally tells the Trump team how to announce it.

WL: "A Hillary pac set up a new website."
DTJ: "Ok"
WL: "You should leak us your dad's tax returns"
DTJ: "Nah"

OMG COLLUSION!!11 /s

The funniest part is that that there was no collusion, there's no such crime called "collusion" and you probably mean conspiracy, and even then conspiracy to commit what crime?

Also Assange refuted that whoever was contacting DTJ on behalf of Wikileaks wasn't officially sanctioned by him, his internet was cut off on October 16th

Love how Evangelion gets so excited over every non-story, and every fake news article, carefully constructing his posts with all the fake news "sources" and ends up with egg on his face everytime

stockhausen · 19 Oct 2018 at 21:25

tang0 said:
. . .
Assange refuted that whoever was contacting DTJ on behalf of Wikileaks wasn't officially sanctioned by him . . .

Well that is conclusive then, "not OFFICIALLY sanctioned".

Get real, Assange has lost all credibility, his best hope for credibility and sympathy now is voluntarily to walk out of the Ecuadorian embassy and into the American one.

tang0 · 19 Oct 2018 at 21:26

stockhausen said:
Well that is conclusive then, "not OFFICIALLY sanctioned".

Get real, Assange has lost all credibility, his best hope for credibility and sympathy now is voluntarily to walk out of the Ecuadorian embassy and into the American one.

He didn't have internet at the time, quite easy to work out really. What do you mean has no credibility? He's the most credible journalist on the planet, nothing he has ever published has been proven to be fraudulent.

And if he had posted Trump's tax returns, the hypocrites in this thread would be fawning over him, just like the Liberals did when he released Collateral Murder

Sankari · 20 Oct 2018 at 03:08

tang0 said:
WL: "A Hillary pac set up a new website."
DTJ: "Ok"
WL: "You should leak us your dad's tax returns"
DTJ: "Nah"

OMG COLLUSION!!11 /s

The funniest part is that that there was no collusion, there's no such crime called "collusion" and you probably mean conspiracy, and even then conspiracy to commit what crime?

I never said collusion is a crime. But yes, there was collusion between Wikileaks and the Trump campaign. Wikileaks denied it; now we know they were lying.

Also Assange refuted that whoever was contacting DTJ on behalf of Wikileaks wasn't officially sanctioned by him

He didn't refute anything, he simply made an unsubstantiated claim.

his internet was cut off on October 16th

Irrelevant.

Love how Evangelion gets so excited over every non-story, and every fake news article, carefully constructing his posts with all the fake news "sources" and ends up with egg on his face everytime

Evidence please.

tang0 said:
He's the most credible journalist on the planet

Evidence please. Assange has lied repeatedly. This is well documented.

nothing he has ever published has been proven to be fraudulent.

Wikileaks has been caught spreading lies and conspiracy theories on multiple occasions.

WikiLeaks has promoted conspiracy theories about the murder of Seth Rich.

Unfounded conspiracy theories, spread by some right-wing figures and media outlets, hold that Rich was the source of leaked emails and was killed for working with WikiLeaks.

WikiLeaks fuelled the conspiracy theories by offering a reward of $20,000 for information leading to the capture of Rich's killer and hinting that Rich may have been the source of the leaked emails.

No evidence supports the claim that Rich was the source of the leaks.

...WikiLeaks has popularized conspiracies about the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton, such as tweeting an article which suggested Clinton campaign chairperson John Podesta engaged in satanic rituals (which was later revealed to be false), implying that the Democratic Party had Seth Rich killed, suggesting that Clinton wore earpieces to debates and interviews, claiming that Hillary Clinton wanted to drone strike Assange, promoting conspiracy theories about Clinton's health, and promoting a conspiracy theory from a Donald Trump–related Internet community tying the Clinton campaign to child kidnapper Laura Silsby.

(Source).

See also: 'Exaggerated and misleading descriptions of the contents of leaks.'

Tefal · 20 Oct 2018 at 06:06

tang0 said:
Also Assange refuted that whoever was contacting DTJ on behalf of Wikileaks wasn't officially sanctioned by him, his internet was cut off on October 16th

So he only had phone, letter and other people to communicate?

Tefal · 20 Oct 2018 at 06:09

stockhausen said:
Well that is conclusive then, "not OFFICIALLY sanctioned".

Get real, Assange has lost all credibility, his best hope for credibility and sympathy now is voluntarily to walk out of the Ecuadorian embassy and into the American one.

Jsut like those totally non officially sanctioned Russian troops all went on holiday to Ukraine a few years back

Sankari · 21 Oct 2018 at 03:57

Tefal said:
So he only had phone, letter and other people to communicate?

Don't forget the fact that he's always had free access to the balcony, where he can speak directly to the public in fresh air, without restriction.

ScoTTyBEEE · 21 Oct 2018 at 16:59

Can't he just use someones BT Fon account and use any of the numerous hotspots around him? Perhaps put a 4g mifi in his pocket?

I don't understand this whole internet blocking thing when there's numerous ways to get it.

stockhausen · 21 Oct 2018 at 17:14

ScoTTyBEEE said:
. . . I don't understand this whole internet blocking thing when there's numerous ways to get it.

Maybe that's the problem with Astrange?
Perhaps he just isn't too switched on to all this modern techy stuff?

tang0 · 21 Oct 2018 at 21:34

Err, they put signal jammers around the Embassy.

And to say Assange doesn't know what he's doing is so ignorant, he's a computer security and cryptography expert

ScoTTyBEEE · 21 Oct 2018 at 21:53

tang0 said:
Err, they put signal jammers around the Embassy.

And to say Assange doesn't know what he's doing is so ignorant, he's a computer security and cryptography expert

The embassy is surrounded with other buildings, how can they isolate it with jammers. Do you know they actually did this?

Sankari · 21 Oct 2018 at 22:13

tang0 said:
Err, they put signal jammers around the Embassy.

I've seen this claim before. I've never seen it substantiated.

And to say Assange doesn't know what he's doing is so ignorant, he's a computer security and cryptography expert

Evidence please.

Werewolf · 22 Oct 2018 at 04:01

Evangelion said:
I've seen this claim before. I've never seen it substantiated.

Evidence please.

It would also get OFCOM rather annoyed as I doubt such jammers can be low enough power to only (but reliably) affect signals inside the embassy, and it's not that far from the embassy door to the street (where police officers would be using mobile phones), and other residents/embassies.

IIRC they've stopped him having equipment they're not aware of, and stopped him using their connections, I think in part because of the security risks to the embassy (which will have a lot of confidential materials on their networks), and partly because he kept antagonising Ecuador allies etc.
Basically they've taken the normal, sane steps any embassy would take to protect their countries interests, especially against someone who may be a guest but has a history of breaking into computer systems and leaking classified information (and by all accounts is turning out to be an ungrateful, badly behaved, petulant man child of a guest).

Sankari · 26 Oct 2018 at 04:58

Emma Best continues to throw truth bombs.

(Source).

Sankari · 26 Oct 2018 at 06:10

QUITO: The United Kingdom told Ecuador in August that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange would not be extradited if he left the country's London embassy, where he has lived under asylum since 2012, Ecuador's top government attorney said on Thursday.

In a written response to queries from Ecuador, the UK explained that it had not received any extradition request, and said Assange's jail time in the UK for violating bail terms by seeking refuge in the embassy would not exceed six months, Iñigo Salvador, who represents the Ecuadorean government in court proceedings, told reporters.

(Source).

This means that Assange's legal team was lying when they claimed in September that they were still waiting on a no-extradition assurance from the UK.

But we should all be accustomed to that by now.

Mr Jack · 26 Oct 2018 at 08:34

tang0 said:
Err, they put signal jammers around the Embassy.

Lol. No.

And to say Assange doesn't know what he's doing is so ignorant, he's a computer security and cryptography expert

He was, yes, but he hasn't been active in the field in a long time, and he's been hiding in a room to avoid facing justice over rape claims for six years. Technology mmoves fast, especially in these areas, so it's not clear how current his knowledge is.

Steedie · 26 Oct 2018 at 11:49

I don't know too much about this whole thing but what's in it for Ecuador? Why would they put up with him for 6 years?

VincentHanna · 26 Oct 2018 at 11:52

Good question.

Chris Wilson · 26 Oct 2018 at 12:18

The sordid story is told here, for one example:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-london-embassy-how-he-became-unwelcome-guest

Mr Jack · 26 Oct 2018 at 17:13

Steedie said:
I don't know too much about this whole thing but what's in it for Ecuador? Why would they put up with him for 6 years?

The old regime wanted the publicity and to appear like a plucky underdog standing up to big, bad America. The current regime merely inherited an embarrassing floater from the old regime.

Assange to go!

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