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Meanwhile in UK
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46180401
Are we going to ban knives yet ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46180401
Are we going to ban knives yet ?
Today's mass shooting in the US
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Soldato
Was it 20 people stabbed to death with a semi automatic knife again? Oh, wait
Soldato
BBC News - Outcry after police shoot African-American security guard 'hero'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46187460
I'm looking forward to the officer's account of things but seriously, how repeatedly stupid can they get!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46187460
I'm looking forward to the officer's account of things but seriously, how repeatedly stupid can they get!
Rather shuts down the whole "what we need is more good guys with guns" argument. Aside from the obvious confusion during a shooting if everyone pulls out a gun, there's not much point being a "good guy with a gun" if the police just shoot you when they turn up. But then, as he was black the cops would have probably shot him anyway, gun or no gun...
Caporegime
The firearm suicide rate fell. The overall suicide rate also fell.
Caporegime
They rose between 1989-1991, started falling in 1992, plateaued during 1993-1994, fell slightly in 1995, and rose again in 1996. Between 1978-1996 there were 13 shootings in which five or more people died (not including the shooter). Since 1996, that number has remained at 0.
No. Firearm related suicide rates from 1997-2004 were lower than predicted by the trends in previous years.
No. It fell even further: 190 in 2011, 210 in 2013, and 218 in 2015.
Already debunked.
The experts disagree. I'll stand with the experts.
(Source).
Caporegime
'Meanwhile, in the UK, nobody was killed by a mass shooting.'
Who's stupid in this? There was a mass shooting a few days ago, the officers arrived at the scene where there was a potentially active shooter and a guy with a gun knelt over another guy. I'm not sure why this is being painted as a racist thing, yet the BBC's article on knife crime in London doesn't even mention the completely disproportionate amount of knife crime committed by black people against other black people.
Commissario
I think the reason people are getting a little upset about it is, the US gun lobby puts a lot of faith in "good guys with guns" and armed security, yet the police shot him without any attempt to work out if he was a threat and it would appear despite bystanders telling them he was a security guy.
This isn't the first time this has happened, not too long ago a would be church shooter got stopped by a random member of the church, who then very nearly got shot by the police when they arrived.
It makes a complete and utter mockery of the NRA parrots with their "good guys with guns stop bad buys with guns, polly want a campaign contribution" line, when the good guys with guns, who are even employed to be "good guys with guns" get shot by poorly trained*, nervous, trigger happy cops.
What's the point of having a gun for self defence, or "defence of others" (as part of your job), if you're as likely to get killed by a cop responding to your 911 call, as from a criminal.
*It often seems US police training puts a lot of emphasis on "removing the threat", but very little on "Identifying the correct threat", let alone "confirming the threat" - hence the regular shooting of pet dogs that are tied up, people carrying water pistols, phones, wallets, nothing.
In my experience US police are jumpy as **** and probably with good reason to be fair but that doesn't help when they shoot an innocent person.
As I've mentioned before had a US state trooper pull his gun on me once in what would have been quite unremarkable circumstances in the UK.
Soldato
I suppose if they used one of those electric carving knives, that’d count as a semi-automatic knife? Dunno what they’d do about plugging it in if they had to chase their victim down though.
I suppose if they used one of those electric carving knives, that’d count as a semi-automatic knife? Dunno what they’d do about plugging it in if they had to chase their victim down though.
Probably low enough wattage you could run one quite awhile from a power bank with AC output.
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You left out the bit where loads of bystanders told the police he was security before they shot him.
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Because they shot yet another innocent black guy despite the onlookers shouting at them not to. It's classic US police incompetence in going off half cocked combined with their usual racist assumptions.
It also rather skewers the good-guy-with-a-gun crud. Even if you have one the Police will off him.
Good job.
There's a decent size drop off after a couple years. Combine that with the increase in population over the same period and I'd say a chart showing per 100k people would definitely show an accelerated drop.
Black people are shot disproportionately higher than white people, but is it racist when black Police officers are also doing the shooting? By the way, in total more innocent white people are shot than black people, though it rarely gets a news story or a hash tag. Funny how that works.
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Wouldn't it be nice if no innocent people got shot.
The last time it happened here (that I can remember) was John Charles De Menezes
The last time it happened here (that I can remember) was John Charles De Menezes
I've just been watching the Narcos UK first episode about the Noonan family in Manchester. It said at one point in the mid 90s the gun crime was so high the city was nicknamed Gunchester.
Though I'm thinking the gun crime wasn't caused by legal firearms holders.
Though I'm thinking the gun crime wasn't caused by legal firearms holders.