Intel i5 9600k or AMD Ryzen 7 2700x ?

tywyn · 13 Dec 2018 at 12:30

I will be building a new base unit for some casual gaming, but I don't want to be upgrading for about 4-5 years, Both are similar in price as you have to buy a cooler for the i5. Which is best, and should I go air or liquid cooled?

KentMan · 13 Dec 2018 at 12:40

2700x is much more future proof, however id wait til CES as there is a rumor that AMD is releasing news on their new Zen2 stuff then, and then make a decision if they do.

andy_mk3 · 13 Dec 2018 at 12:55

I agree if you want future proof then wait for Zen2, more cores, higher clocks, potentially pci-e 4.0.. A solid platform for a long term rig imo

tywyn · 13 Dec 2018 at 13:03

Thanks, but I can't wait. BF V is unplayable on my i5 2500k

subbytna · 13 Dec 2018 at 16:01

What's the rest of your specs

andy_mk3 · 13 Dec 2018 at 16:03

2500k should run BFV OK as long as you're not expecting ultra 4k

tywyn · 13 Dec 2018 at 16:16

Nah It's not cutting it any longer, even OC'd to 4.2Ghz. Dips to the 40's and 50's even on low settings. Not my settings or setup. Everyone with 2500k says the same. BF1 was fine BF V isn't.

tywyn · 13 Dec 2018 at 16:19

subbytna said:
What's the rest of your specs

UserBenchmarks: Game 61%, Desk 55%, Work 36%
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K - 80.3%
GPU: Nvidia GTX 970 - 66%
SSD: Samsung 850 Evo 1TB - 548.5%
HDD: WD Black 1TB (2010) - 52.8%
RAM: G.SKILL RipjawsX DDR3 1600 C9 2x4GB - 59%
MBD: MSI P67A-GD55 (MS-7681)

55" Sony Wall Mounted TV

StarShock · 13 Dec 2018 at 16:26

Honestly, I'd take the 2600X over either of the above and spend the extra money on a nicer motherboard and faster ram.

humbug · 13 Dec 2018 at 17:44

StarShock said:
Honestly, I'd take the 2600X over either of the above and spend the extra money on a nicer motherboard and faster ram.

koooowweeee · 13 Dec 2018 at 17:49

GPU could do with a upgrade. I would do that first

4K8KW10 · 13 Dec 2018 at 20:02

tywyn said:
UserBenchmarks: Game 61%, Desk 55%, Work 36%
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K - 80.3%
GPU: Nvidia GTX 970 - 66%
SSD: Samsung 850 Evo 1TB - 548.5%
HDD: WD Black 1TB (2010) - 52.8%
RAM: G.SKILL RipjawsX DDR3 1600 C9 2x4GB - 59%
MBD: MSI P67A-GD55 (MS-7681)

55" Sony Wall Mounted TV

Ryzen 7 2700.

warren_1979 · 13 Dec 2018 at 23:33

BF V seems to be ram hungry. Get another 8gb ddr3 to tide you over till zen2.

tywyn · 14 Dec 2018 at 11:06

warren_1979 said:
BF V seems to be ram hungry. Get another 8gb ddr3 to tide you over till zen2.

It's got nothing to do with RAM. The processor just ain't up to it any longer. I can't wait. I need to build a new base unit next week as I want to play BF V over xmas.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/bfv-cpu-help.18837608/

DereksDontRun · 14 Dec 2018 at 11:51

I've got a 2500k (oc'd to 4.4) with 980ti and 16gb - (so covering the previous comments of more ram and/or gpu). (for ref, game at 1080p 120Hz, with a 2nd monitor running 1920x1200 with discord, steam, web-browser etc there – so, it’s not like I’m trying to push 4k, or even 1440p)

I've not tried BFV yet, but I've recently played a lot of Monster Hunter World and Rainbow 6 Siege and I have to admit, the 2500k is getting to the point it's not fun at times and settings are being set lower and lower to keep fps up. I’ve just pulled the trigger on 470 Strix and 2700x, with the thought that while the proposed (unconfirmed) specs of the Zen2 chips look v good, the 2700x is hardly sub-par, and it could be a while before Zen2 stock is available. If there’s a AM4 Zen2+ 4000 series (Vermeer) in 2020 then that could be a swap, but who knows what will be compatible – I thought that a decent 470 mobo will have the best chance of forward compatibility anyway. Will hopefully get time to build the system in the xmas break, which will be nice…

At the end of the day, there’s always something around the corner, and some reason to wait – but ultimately, you have to pull the trigger at some point…

tywyn · 14 Dec 2018 at 13:17

Exactly you can wait forever. I thought about the 2700x, but after reading about there isn't much to justify the extra cost by all accounts, and I need a new PC soon, so I've just bought a 2600x. I'm a casual gamer these days, so I don't need anything top end. I could easily spend 2K on a system if I wanted, but it would be a waste of money.

AMD Ryzen 5 2600X AM4 Processor with Wraith Spire Cooler
MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC AM4 DDR4 ATX Motherboard
G.Skill Trident Z 16GB Kit DDR4 3000MHz RAM
MSI AMD Radeon RX 580 8GB ARMOR 8G OC Graphics Card
PSU Corsair RM750x 80+ Gold Modular
Cooler Master MasterCase H500 RGB Computer Case
Toshiba P300 3TB 3.5'' SATA High-Performance Hard Drive OEM (I've already got an SSD)

£930 Incl shipping.

Disco_P · 14 Dec 2018 at 13:29

Given how BF1 was basically unplayable to me with a 3570K, and pretty bad on a 2600K I can only imagine how BFV plays on a 2500K. I upgraded to a 5820K when Ryzen was 'just round the corner' - no regrets cause new CPUs don't affect old CPU performance.

AMD guaranteed compatibility of AM4 until 2020 iirc so I'd pick up a 2600 (cause it's a absolutely steal and similar game performance to the 8 core) and a £100-150 AM4 mobo, 16GB of 3000ish Mhz RAM. Totals around £400. If Zen 2 is amazing you can drop it into the mobo and probably still make a decent chunk back on the 2600, if it isn't then the 2600 is more than powerful enough for a couple years imo.

Of course the 9600K is strictly better for BFV performance but I just don't see it surviving as long with only 6 threads - however you can upgrade to the 9900K but I doubt anything new will come out for that socket. 9900K also needs a beefy VRM found on the more expensive motherboards.

HUB did a BFV MP CPU benchmark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsB8MPVnBoY

DereksDontRun · 14 Dec 2018 at 13:32

Yeah, I was on the fence between the 2600x and 2700x - but after seeing the proposed specs of the Zen2/3000 series, I felt the 2700x is arguably equivalent to the new mid-tier 3600. So, is at least in the pack, as it were. Whereas the 2600x is the equivalent of the new entry spec.

Sure, at the moment they're probably equivalent in most games, but with both Xbox one and PS4 already up to 8 cores each, then I'm assuming more and more multi-threaded games/apps will be around the corner and they will start to separate. possibly...

If a new pc is about a k and the price difference between 2600x and 2700x is only £100, that's only 10% of the pc cost - which, for my man-maths, was enough to justify.

Not that I'm wanting/trying to moan at you choice, it will still be a great improvement from the 2500k

KentMan · 14 Dec 2018 at 15:55

tywyn said:
I will be building a new base unit for some casual gaming, but I don't want to be upgrading for about 4-5 years, Both are similar in price as you have to buy a cooler for the i5. Which is best, and should I go air or liquid cooled?

if your building an entire new base unit, whats your Budget and are you taking anything out of your old rig? (mainly SSD, GPU, Cooler, PSU?) Im guessing no to the GPU, and probably the cooler unless its a decent high end one?

Journey · 14 Dec 2018 at 16:14

Build an AM4 based system, and slap the cheapest 6c/12t CPU you can find in it £115-130, then in 4-6 months drop in the new Ryzen 3xxx CPU at £150-250, sell the old one, net cost is the same as getting a 2700X but you'll end up with a much better system for the same money spent.