Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[wordy]

But I thought there wasn't a port that was large enough to facilitate the ship?

Focsle was in guzz, quarterdeck was in pompey.

 

[h4rm0ny]

Likely some minister publishing this bill just for "show" which won't get any support or any traction in their government.

Ukraine is in no position for a war with Russia, it would honestly be like the best Christmas gift they could ever give to them if they was serious about this.

That said... things could be getting heated soon, since Ukraine is being very naughty and trying to make Crimea dry of water by blocking a strategic water canal that feeds them.

Something doesn't have to be to the advantage of the country, though. Just to the advantage of those in charge of it. Petro Poroshenko used the incident with the Russians blocking the non-compliant Ukranian vessel as an excuse to declare Martial Law in any provinces he wasn't popular in. That lets him shut down news agencies or journalists he doesn't like, arrest people at will and more. The elections are in... two months? If it's not enough and he needs a war to stay in power, are we sure he wont do it? The Ukrainian government has a heavy Nazi presence, after all.

It’s not just a research vessel, it’s multi role, a mine sweeper is probably quite an apt thing to send when you don’t want to escalate things.

Wasn't it one of OUR lot that wanted to mine the sea though? Pretty sure it was.

 

[Panos]

Something doesn't have to be to the advantage of the country, though. Just to the advantage of those in charge of it. Petro Poroshenko used the incident with the Russians blocking the non-compliant Ukranian vessel as an excuse to declare Martial Law in any provinces he wasn't popular in. That lets him shut down news agencies or journalists he doesn't like, arrest people at will and more. The elections are in... two months? If it's not enough and he needs a war to stay in power, are we sure he wont do it? The Ukrainian government has a heavy Nazi presence, after all.

It's even worse

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/putin-is-our-enemy-too-says-chechen-fighter-in-ukraine-sv2rf2qtz

There are many ISIS trained islamists in the Chechen forces operating alongside with the Ukrainian army.
A new low even for Porosenko.

Also last week came to light the "sources" (aka the German journalists) like those found on Die Spiegel who's publications were used like gospel during the Ukrainian coup, were falsifying their articles using plain lies and manufactured photographs trying to demonize the toppled President of the Ukraine. (gold baths, palaces etc).
In addition their articles, used by the British media also, contained so many lies including on more serious matters, like finances of country like Greece, Spain, and Italy. Alongside a lot of propaganda hidden within then.
That's huge news across Europe, pointing the finger all way to the German state, yet in UK there is complete silence....

 

[h4rm0ny]

Also last week came to light the "sources" (aka the German journalists) like those found on Die Spiegel who's publications were used like gospel during the Ukrainian coup, were falsifying their articles using plain lies and manufactured photographs trying to demonize the toppled President of the Ukraine. (gold baths, palaces etc).​

This I heard about.​

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It's even worse

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/putin-is-our-enemy-too-says-chechen-fighter-in-ukraine-sv2rf2qtz

There are many ISIS trained islamists in the Chechen forces operating alongside with the Ukrainian army.
A new low even for Porosenko.

This I had not. It's unbelievable people know so little about this over here. It was the same with Libya when we attacked it - complete media blackout on any counter-information.

In addition their articles, used by the British media also, contained so many lies including on more serious matters, like finances of country like Greece, Spain, and Italy. Alongside a lot of propaganda hidden within then. That's huge news across Europe, pointing the finger all way to the German state, yet in UK there is complete silence....

This I don't know so much about. I welcome examples / articles if you have some.

 

[Panos]

This I don't know so much about. I welcome examples / articles if you have some.​

Google you will find a lot of articles. Use .com not .co.uk though.​

 

[4K8KW10]

MOSCOW (AP) - Russia's new strategic weapon has rendered any missile defenses useless at a small fraction of their cost, officials said Thursday.

The Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle flies 27 times faster than the speed of sound, making it impossible to intercept, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov told Russian state television.

The new weapon "essentially makes missile defenses useless," he said.

Borisov spoke a day after Russian President Vladimir Putin oversaw what he described as the conclusive successful test of the Avangard and hailed it as a reliable guarantee of Russia's security for decades to come.

In Wednesday's test, the weapon was launched from the Dombarovskiy missile base in the southern Ural Mountains. The Kremlin said it successfully hit a practice target on the Kura shooting range on Kamchatka, 6,000 kilometers (3,700 miles) away.

The Defense Ministry released footage from the test launch, in which a ballistic missile could be seen blasting from a silo in a cloud of smoke, but it hasn't released any images of the vehicle itself.

Putin said the Avangard will enter service with the Russian Strategic Missile Forces next year.

The test comes amid bitter tensions in Russia-U.S. relations, which have been strained over the Ukrainian crisis, the war in Syria and the allegations of Moscow's meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

Sergei Ivanov, a former Russian defense minister, said in televised comments that the Avangard constantly changes its course and altitude as it flies through the atmosphere.

He emphasized that unlike previous nuclear warheads fitted to intercontinental ballistic missiles that follow a predictable trajectory allowing it to calculate the spot where they can be intercepted, the Avangard chaotically zigzags on its path to its target, making it impossible to predict the weapon's location.

A smiling Ivanov likened the weapon's flight through the atmosphere to a pebble skipping off the surface of water.

Ivanov, who now serves as Putin's adviser, said the Avangard could be fitted to the Soviet-made UR-100UTTKh intercontinental ballistic missile, which is code-named SS-19 Stiletto by NATO.

He noted that Russia has a stockpile of several dozen such missiles, which are in a factory-mint condition and not filled with fuel, allowing them to serve for a long time to come. Ivanov added that they could be put in existing silos, sharply reducing the costs of Avangard's deployment.

"The Avangard has cost hundreds of times less than what the U.S. has spent on its missile defense," Ivanov said.

He noted that Russia began to develop the Avangard after the 2002 U.S. withdrew from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty and started to develop defenses against ballistic missiles.

Moscow feared that the U.S. missile shield could erode its nuclear deterrent, and Putin announced in 2004 that Russia was working on a new hypersonic weapon.

Ivanov recalled that when Russian officials warned their U.S. counterparts about the new weapon program at the time, American officials were openly skeptical about Russia's ability to carry out its plan.

"We aren't involved in saber-rattling, we simply ensured our security for decades to come," he said.

Official: Russian weapon 27 times faster than speed of sound https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/a...ssian-weapon-27-times-faster-speed-sound.html

 

[StriderX]

If true, then WW3 baby, lets do it.

 

[4K8KW10]

If true, then WW3 baby, lets do it.

To be honest, you are not far away from the truth, but not exactly as you mean it.
Since 2001, the world is in a permanent state of WW3 and I don't know when we will get out of it. The morale, ethics and overall mood worldwide is at an all time low.
Mean and rude people everywhere.

 

[Rroff]

Official: Russian weapon 27 times faster than speed of sound https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/a...ssian-weapon-27-times-faster-speed-sound.html

I've not seen any proof they have a reliable hypersonic vehicle - the only test where any signs of extreme speed have been monitored ended apparently unsuccessfully.

 

[Phreaky]

I'll add this to the list of modern Russian innovations along with their quantum time machine, warp speed photon submarine and nuclear handgun.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Probably just a man in a missile shaped suit.....

 

[Minusorange]

Russia are the worlds most overt trolls

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-46699507

 

[h4rm0ny]

Russia are the worlds most overt trolls

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-46699507

Russians love to troll. I recall their embassy replying to a CIA appeal for Russian translators saying "we can help!".

 

[clv101]

...is the bosphorus straight deep enough for subs to stealthily pass through to get from the Med into the Black Sea ?

No chance, less than 20m metres deep in places.

 

[Malevolence]

Bit of a bump, but it looks like Russia maybe ramping up for something in Ukraine again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56616778

 

[Randomface74]

They'll just claim a chunk of Ukraine that basically considers itself Russian anyway. Nobody's gonna fight Russia over it.

 

[StriderX]

Letting Russia get away with their ethno-nationalist foreign policy will only justify China emulating it in it's surrounding regions, so goodness knows why we're just letting it happen.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

At some point we have to make a stand. Otherwise Russia and China will just keep doing this.

 

[lemonkettaz]

History loves to just repeat.

We are too busy with the culture wars to worry about happenings past our line of sight.

As long as they annex territory socially distanced then that's all that matters.

 

[Uther]

Letting Russia get away with their ethno-nationalist foreign policy will only justify China emulating it in it's surrounding regions, so goodness knows why we're just letting it happen.

What are we going to do? They could basically invade here if they wanted and we could do **** all about it.