Who says aio cooling is crap?

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that's just nonsense.
No, it's a fact top tier air coolers cool as well as CLCs at same noise levels as long as they are supplied the same temperature of air.
Several years ago PC-Cooling tested Silver Arrow SB-E (comparable to other top tier coolers but 17cb quieter) H100 (comparable to other 240mm radiator CLCs) and Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme (similar noise level to CLCs like H100) with open bench test station so all were using same temperature of air. Air cooling running 17dB quieter was only 1c warmer and when runnng 1dB louder air cooling was 8c cooler.
Silver Arrow SB-E, Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme vs H100
I7 [email protected] Temperature in Delta
Cooler . . . . . . . . . Delta . RPM . RPM . dB(A) . Fans
H100 . . . . . . . . . . 41c . . 2500. . . . . . . 55 . . . . 2x
SA SB-E. . . . . . . . 42c . . 1000 & 1300. 38 . . . . TY-150 & TY-141
SA SB-E Extreme . 34c . . 2500 . . . . . . 56 . . . . 2x TY-143
H100 is 1c cooler than Silver Arrow SB-e but makes more than 3 times the noise doing it
Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme is 7c cooler with fans making similar amount of noise as H100 does.
PC-Cooling video review above data came from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6xrsuPwDbo

Anyone who has done any actual testing of air cooling vs CLC has similar results to above. Thing is most air coolers do not have the extreme fans Silver Arrow SB-E (& IB-E) Extreme have. Only one I know of is Silverstone HE01/HE01-V.2

The trouble with air coolers is that you need fans on the cooler AND fans on the case. Without good case airflow they are toast because the dirty-hot air stays inside the case, affecting the other components and gradually ramping-up temps. That's a lot of fans.

With an AIO you can get the dirty-hot air straight out of the case without it going anywhere near the other components, with just the fans on the rad. This means fewer overall fans, which is good. Neater, quieter and more efficient, especially in small builds where there either isn't physically enough room to fit a decent air cooler and/or all the required fans, or if you did it would look like arse or make accessing the other components very difficult.

Anyway, everyone knows this already, it's old news.
True, but it's one easily resolved with only a little knowledge of what to look for. Most cases only need a fan or two added to have good airflow. It's not rocket science and only requires a couple minutes of reading to know what is needed. Below is link to basic guides for how airflow works and how to setup case airflow.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-i-put-my-temp-sensor.18564223/#post-26159770

With CLCs is more often user mounts it as intake then brags about how much cooler CPU is .. but never mentions GPU and other component temps are often 2-6c higher.

Your last 2 paragraphs are not old news, but false news:
  • No, there are not fewer fans, CLCs add an additon of 2x 120mm / 2x 140mm fans mounted on radiator that are also functioning as additional case fans.
  • Yes, there are a few cases/builds that will not work with anything but CLC, AIO or small custom loop, but they are the exception, not the rule.
  • As for neater many of use thing the 2 black snakes are much uglier than a good air cooler. Just look at obitalwalsh post #48 to seen what I mean about black snakes. Sorry, orbitalwalsh, you have a nice cool system but it definitely is not neat and tidy.;)
  • CLCs are definitely not quieter than air cooling. There is almost always some pump and coolant noise invovled at idle that does not exist with an air cooler.
  • CLCs are also not more efficient than air coolers, neither in performance or in costs. Air cooling cools as well or better, is more dependable/lasts longer, and is lower cost.
 
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Lol.

I think I've said all I need to. This is getting odd now. :(

Btw, Doyll, I know quite a bit about airflow. I've been at this game for 20 years including 2 years working as a bench tech. I've seen your advice over the years, including telling someone to place a piece of card between their GPU and CPU cooler to improve temps.

Enough said. ;)
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https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/29099085
 
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Lol.

I think I've said all I need to. This is getting odd now. :(

Btw, Doyll, I know quite a bit about airflow. I've been at this game for 20 years including 2 years working as a bench tech. I've seen your advice over the years, including telling someone to place a piece of card between their GPU and air cooler to improve GPU temps.

Enough said.... ;)
Card from front of CPU cooler to front of case between front intake fans and from motherboard to side of case blocks and thus stops the heated exhaust air coming off of GPU from moving up and mixing with cool intake air moving back to CPU cooler. Also removing PCIe back slot covers from case almost always improves GPU temps by increasing rear vent area around GPU so more cool air coming in the front and sometimes bottom intakes can flow to, on back and out of case.

Enough said .... ;)
 
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Yea, airflow issues aside, a flap of cardboard inside a PC is a really fantastic idea.

Jesus Christ. :rolleyes:
 
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You clearly don't understand what I post.

There are plenty of AIO advice threads on the 1st page of the water-cooling forum and no-one has laughed them out at all. It's all in your head.

Here they are:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/aio-for-2700x-in-500d-obsidian.18844602/
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/aio-for-8700k.18844262/
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/rec-me-an-aio-cooler-for-amd-2700x.18844042/


PS Jesus Christ isn't the Christian god. That's the big fella in the clouds, not the little fella on the cross.
 
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You clearly don't understand what I post.

There are plenty of AIO advice threads on the 1st page of the water-cooling forum and no-one has laughed them out at all. It's all in your head.

Here they are:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/aio-for-2700x-in-500d-obsidian.18844602/
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/aio-for-8700k.18844262/
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/rec-me-an-aio-cooler-for-amd-2700x.18844042/

You're talking cobblers.

PS Jesus Christ isn't the Christian god. That's the big fella in the clouds, not the little fella on the cross.
I stand corrected, you are correct water cooling forum is not laughing CLCs out.

But your other claims of number of leaks/failure are not at all accurate.

As for JS you are a total ... never mind, it's obvious to anyone reading this that your prespective of things is hardly realistic, and your last sentence only proves you will not even admit you cursed by taking the name of Christian god in vain. Seems you are simply unable to admit when you are wrong.
 
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I'm trying to understand why you would make such a wild and easily disprovable claim: that "AIO coolers are laughed out of the water-cooling forum".

It's a bit odd. :confused:

I'll tell you what will get laughed out though - suggesting people stick cardboard flaps inside their PC like you did.
 
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1) A leak is a failure.

2) If you weren't arguing that AIO's are more likely to kill a PC than custom loops, what did you mean by this?
Not everyone has a stack of high spec spare PCs knocking around, or can afford to just re-purchase their current rig. That loss can be quite a hefty hit, especially if you're on a budget.

You've lost me on point 1 I'm afraid, but anyway on to point 2.

I've nothing more to add to what I've already said. You're scared of AIO's for reasons I don't understand and I'm not because I hardly ever see anyone complaining about them failing.

Can I suggest we leave it at that?
 
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i brought a h115i pro platinum yesterday just testing it out now just had aida64 on for last ten minutes and highest temp was 62c i know before i had my noctua d15 cooler i got higher just video watching and internet browsing 8700k (should i now be worried about the aio ?)
 
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i brought a h115i pro platinum yesterday just testing it out now just had aida64 on for last ten minutes and highest temp was 62c i know before i had my noctua d15 cooler i got higher just video watching and internet browsing 8700k (should i now be worried about the aio ?)

I'm surprised you haven't drowned already. :p
 

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This thread is a trainwreck. If you love AIOs or custom loops, don't wade in to a thread and spent 200 posts trying to convince everyone else they're wrong.

Locked whilst I clean it up.
 
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i brought a h115i pro platinum yesterday just testing it out now just had aida64 on for last ten minutes and highest temp was 62c i know before i had my noctua d15 cooler i got higher just video watching and internet browsing 8700k (should i now be worried about the aio ?)
H115i and NH-D15 have similar cooling abilitys, so if your temps with D15 were much higher just watching videos there was something else wring, like your case was not flowing air like it should or you cooler fan speeds were too slow.
 
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There's only 1 degree difference between D15 and D15S so that really doesn't explain it. If temps were higher than 62C just browsing then something else was evidently going on. However, if the H115i works out better for your circumstances then well and good.
 
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I meant the d15s single fan
Same answer as before. If when using NH-D15S CPU temp is radically warmer than with H115i it's an airflow issue, either cooler fan is running to slow or case fans are too slow / not able to supply enough cool airflow to cooler. Review in below link shows their performance to be near identical.
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8...platinum-liquid-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html

H150i on a 9900k @ 5ghz all core @1.32v, maxing out on AIDA around high 70s after 1 hour. I'm happy with that. Thermal Grizzly paste though.
Just for comparison, Tweaktown review of H150i on overclocked i7 6700K shows it up to 4c warmer than top air coolers with air coolers making 33-34dB to H150i making 49dB
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8540/corsair-h150i-pro-rgb-cpu-cooler-review/index7.html
 
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