studies lol show me a study on the long term health effect of a 100% plant diet on homo sapiens?
if i have done the diet wrong then god help average joe blow with this nonsense that is being pushed mainstream..
4 years i followed this diet and i prolly only lasted that long because i was healthy to begin with.
i went into this endeavour for my long term health as i look after myself, i cycle to work, go to the gym etc so i am not adverse to tracking macro's.
got my fats from chia/flax seeds, coconut oil and avocados which are a joke here in the uk.
protein was from beans, lentils, tofu etc.
ate all the greens,veg and fruit,
a lot of time and effort went into making my meals, a foodie co-worker even used to take pics of my monster salads at work to put on instagram.
got to know the girls quite well at the local fruit n veg shop i was there that often.
ate a mixture of cooked veg and salads.
bought a dehydrator to make my own spinach and chia seed wraps.
sprouted my own seeds.
went on holidays to north africa as it lends well to vegan cuisine,
plus smoothies, protein shakes etc, i gave this diet a good go...
also used some supps including b12.
at the beginning i was feeling quite good had a lot of energy.
but then the decline came and it continued, i was losing strength and muscle even after i played around with the macro's.
i never felt satiated, man all that fiber... the toilet and i lol
the high carbs/sugar made my blood sugar a roller coaster ride and i became irritable.
my libido declined and oh my the brain fog... it was increasingly difficult to do life!
it came to the point where i had to have a word with myself and admit that i had been sold a dud and this diet is not healthy!
td;lr been there done that don't work!
Meat eater: "Are you a vegan?"
Vegan: "Yes"
Meat eater: "Oh my god, here we go. We can't be friends." *Walks off*
It's ridiculous.
Vegetarian here, never stepped into the vegan zone but have no issues with those that do.
Some of you here though need to have a bit of a look at yourselves. To be so angry, egotistical and deluded over what others are doing is pretty sad. Especially when you use your pathetic experience as a massive generalization on how healthy something is (Pooley).
Well they dont. The millions walking around today perfectly fine disprove your theory.big assumption you have there, you don't know me at all..
talk is cheap, try it for yourself for years and then come back to me and and see if you are still appealing to the 'vegan' ideology
homo sapiens need animal fat and proteins to function it is that simple!
You have zero 1st hand knowledge or experience on the subject matter, shown no evidence to back up your claim and yet you tell me about my selfish desires...Well they dont. The millions walking around today perfectly fine disprove your theory.
Dont confuse ego eating with need,just because you desire a product doesnt mean you need it. That meat you eat is entirely driven by selfish needs nothing more.
Well they dont. The millions walking around today perfectly fine disprove your theory.
Dont confuse ego eating with need,just because you desire a product doesnt mean you need it. That meat you eat is entirely driven by selfish needs nothing more.
To be fair, veganism is still very much a new diet choice, we don't have any conclusive proof whether its long term healthy or not. And most of the vegan food is as processed as non vegan food.
Eating anything mass produced be it veg or meat is selfish, they both have an impact to the environment, just because one is less than the other its still impacting the planet. Neither are sustainable in the long term.
@ d.p have been eating things with gluten in before the plant diet just fine, and to suggest soy can cause those problems is a bit of a stretch..
who are these millions of healthy vegans, those stick thin people in india?
the fact you need to supplement on that diet suggests it's flawed.
You have zero 1st hand knowledge or experience on the subject matter, shown no evidence to back up your claim and yet you tell me about my selfish desires...
Vegetarian diets confer protection against cardiovascular diseases, cardiometabolic risk factors, some cancers and total mortality. Compared to lacto-ovo-vegetarian diets, vegan diets seem to offer additional protection for obesity, hypertension, type-2 diabetes, and cardiovascular mortality.
You also seem to be confusing thin with unhealthy. Humans are supposed to be thin, lean and athletic.
Only if you eat processed garbage. I dont; know any vegetarian or vegan that eats any pre-processed mass produced junk.
IU certainly don;t switch from processed meat to processed faker meat on my veggie days. I use tons of beans, lentils, fresh vegetables, nuts, seeds
You are also just postulation an anecdote. Whether I or other posters live by a vegan lifestyle for several years doesn't change the level of evidence.
Instead we can actually look at broad scientific studies and meta-analysis:
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/6/6/2131/htm
The same finding are found time and time again.
For the record, I am not proclaiming that we should all be vegan but the world would be a far better place if everyone limited meat consumption to one or twice a week. that in itself completely avoid any concerns over vitamin deficiencies