RIP Nvidia - PC Gaming ?

EastCoastHandle · 2 Mar 2019 at 17:56

Nasher said:
Navi. Both consoles use AMD hardware.

If xbox format games are going to be the new normal on PC, then say goodbye to support for any Nvidia specific features in the majority of games (DLSS and RTX could be rather short lived).

Pretty much this. But we will have to wait and see if this actually pans out.

Wrinkly · 2 Mar 2019 at 18:08

Nasher said:
Navi. Both consoles use AMD hardware.

If xbox format games are going to be the new normal on PC, then say goodbye to support for any Nvidia specific features in the majority of games (DLSS and RTX could be rather short lived).

Remember that RTX is just Nvidia's DLSS and Microsoft's DXR support wrapped up under a new name. DXR will carry on, while DLSS will probably lose out to Microsoft's Machine Learning.

EastCoastHandle · 2 Mar 2019 at 20:46

Wrinkly said:
Remember that RTX is just Nvidia's DLSS and Microsoft's DXR support wrapped up under a new name. DXR will carry on, while DLSS will probably lose out to Microsoft's Machine Learning.

Unless MS has plans on using DXR in next gen consoles it's pretty much a dead side project they were doing if gaming was the focus.

Rroff · 2 Mar 2019 at 20:55

EastCoastHandle said:
Unless MS has plans on using DXR in next gen consoles it's pretty much a dead side project they were doing if gaming was the focus.

I doubt DXR is going anywhere - ultimately ray tracing is the future. DXR has a fallback mode as well though obviously far less capable without appropriate hardware.

Wrinkly · 2 Mar 2019 at 20:56

EastCoastHandle said:
Unless MS has plans on using DXR in next gen consoles it's pretty much a dead side project they were doing if gaming was the focus.

There has been hints from a few developers.

EastCoastHandle · 2 Mar 2019 at 21:14

Wrinkly said:
There has been hints from a few developers.

Polyphony is about as far from MS as the north and south poles on a magnet.
https://wccftech.com/gran-turismo-polyphony-raytracing/

But if there was a reason why I would get a PS5 it would be for Grand Turismo 6. No doubt about it.
Right now with GT Sport they are faking RT with their replays. And to be honest, no PC racing game comes close to the level of fluidity and IQ they offer on PS4. Real shame too, because it shows how far down development has come to PC games

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Yeah, it's really like that. It would be nice to see this level of detail on PC one day...

willhub · 4 Mar 2019 at 07:52

Actually wondering now, if RDR2 was properly optimised and released on the PC if it would look better and run solid 60fps?

I tried Forza Horizon 4 on my laptop last night, all maxed out with 8x MSAA, and I think the graphics quality is better than on the XBOX One X in this instance, at the native res of 2880 x 1620 it was almost pegged at 60FPS! So at 4K and reducing the AA which isn't needed as much it'll still be pegged at almost 60FPS, twice as fast as XB1X.

I expected my laptop to lag at that res.

StriderX · 4 Mar 2019 at 08:32

willhub said:
Actually wondering now, if RDR2 was properly optimised and released on the PC if it would look better and run solid 60fps?

I tried Forza Horizon 4 on my laptop last night, all maxed out with 8x MSAA, and I think the graphics quality is better than on the XBOX One X in this instance, at the native res of 2880 x 1620 it was almost pegged at 60FPS! So at 4K and reducing the AA which isn't needed as much it'll still be pegged at almost 60FPS, twice as fast as XB1X.

I expected my laptop to lag at that res.

It’s a racing game, they don’t tend to push hardware at all (I mean from the get go, obviously you can turn on 10198338x AA and ruin it). Whih is entirely why the likes of Sony and Microsoft push them out so soon after the release of new consoles, easily developed and easily shows the available power of the tech.

Though mind you horizon is semi open world I think, so maybe it stands a better chance of hitting the gpu a bit more than usual.

willhub · 4 Mar 2019 at 10:47

StriderX said:
It’s a racing game, they don’t tend to push hardware at all (I mean from the get go, obviously you can turn on 10198338x AA and ruin it). Whih is entirely why the likes of Sony and Microsoft push them out so soon after the release of new consoles, easily developed and easily shows the available power of the tech.

Though mind you horizon is semi open world I think, so maybe it stands a better chance of hitting the gpu a bit more than usual.

Horizon is fully open world, you can literally go everywhere on the map, you can slam through traditional English stone walls in the lake district or through the central reservation o the M62, bit unrealistic in that way but I'd have thought it'd be a real stress on a system.

shankly1985 · 4 Mar 2019 at 12:46

StriderX said:
It’s a racing game, they don’t tend to push hardware at all (I mean from the get go, obviously you can turn on 10198338x AA and ruin it). Whih is entirely why the likes of Sony and Microsoft push them out so soon after the release of new consoles, easily developed and easily shows the available power of the tech.

Though mind you horizon is semi open world I think, so maybe it stands a better chance of hitting the gpu a bit more than usual.

Massively disagree with you. HORIZON is fully open world and has the graphcis to complete with the best of games.

Fully maxed out its a masterpiece. And it's performance is excellent, a proper showcase for DirectX 12

opethdisciple · 5 Mar 2019 at 22:14

The article posted in the original post is completely speculative. So here is another speculative article.

Seems RT might be coming to the consoles as well at some point in the future.

AthlonXP1800 · 20 Apr 2019 at 07:03

I forget about this thread after updated my VHD to 1903 latest build.

I just had another attempt to join State of Decay and finally got a slot and downloaded State of Decay. Played it for a bit and found it boring.

Look like it ran a lot faster than Xbox One, frame rate not capped and it did not used anti aliasing.

Here some screenshots.

greatash · 20 Apr 2019 at 15:20

EastCoastHandle said:
Polyphony is about as far from MS as the north and south poles on a magnet.
https://wccftech.com/gran-turismo-polyphony-raytracing/

But if there was a reason why I would get a PS5 it would be for Grand Turismo 6. No doubt about it.
Right now with GT Sport they are faking RT with their replays. And to be honest, no PC racing game comes close to the level of fluidity and IQ they offer on PS4. Real shame too, because it shows how far down development has come to PC games .

Yeah, it's really like that. It would be nice to see this level of detail on PC one day...

I agree with shankly, horizon looks way better graphically.

Hell id say project cars 2 looks better

greatash · 20 Apr 2019 at 15:21

willhub · 20 Apr 2019 at 15:32

Horizon at 4K, HDR on my 1080Ti rig runs and looks AMAZING! Trees are a bit sharp and think but aside from that, damn no game is a stunning.

fantasticCG · 20 Apr 2019 at 15:33

Had a question, any reason Sony and Microsoft dont use nvidia hardware in there next gen machines?

willhub · 20 Apr 2019 at 15:52

fantasticCG said:
Had a question, any reason Sony and Microsoft dont use nvidia hardware in there next gen machines?

Cost I bet!

Kelt · 20 Apr 2019 at 15:59

fantasticCG said:
Had a question, any reason Sony and Microsoft dont use nvidia hardware in there next gen machines?

MS wanted Nvidia to reduce the price of the graphics in the original Xbox they had contractually agreed to.

Nvidia told them to FO.

In return, MS told Nvidia to FO when it came to the 360

fantasticCG · 20 Apr 2019 at 16:06

Looooool thanks guys, always thought the green teams would pair up at some point, oh well.

Spyhop · 20 Apr 2019 at 16:19

Windows 10 gaming should just be a high-end Xbox.

Have Linux be the natural home for "anything goes" distribution mechanisms and APIs, and the associated upsides and downsides those bring.