How did they manage to produce such a 'driver focused' car and leave out the option for a manual box. Does not compute.
That part was a bit silly, but they say one might come later.
How did they manage to produce such a 'driver focused' car and leave out the option for a manual box. Does not compute.
That part was a bit silly, but they say one might come later.
Make one with manual, all those fake vents removed with real aero and then a big wing. Supra GT.
All will be forgiven.
Or make the vents actually work like they should on a car this expensive (brake cooling).
However IMO trying to boost sales by nailing on the Supra name does more to hurt this car than help it as it cannot live up to the requirements of that name.
NA with a naff auto too!What whereas the Mk IV Supra NA did?
HKS has already been working on it, fitted the old 2JZ engine ibnto it with a huge turbo, running at over 800bhp apparently.
https://carbuzz.com/news/2020-toyota-supra-gets-an-800-hp-2jz-engine-swap
Will the BMW auto gearbox hold up though
The ZF box is great, but it doesn't really fit with the ethos of that car does it.
The ZF box is great, but it doesn't really fit with the ethos of that car does it.
The ZF box is great, but it doesn't really fit with the ethos of that car does it.
for those looking to buy the Supra as a weekend only fun car, then
Was it not the case that most Supra Twin Turbos had an autobox?
There seems to be quite a lot of nostalgic revisionism going on here.
The MkIV Supra was mostly a lardy automatic GT in its day. Not a precision sports car.
No one wants the auto Supra mkIVs though, which is why they are worth significantly less. It's always the same with sports cars, once they reach classic status everyone wants the manual versions.
I think the biggest problem here is the price, it's far too cheap (accounting for inflation it's ~ half the price of it's predacessor). Now that may sound ridiculous but it means this car has been built to a budget, not a spec/vision/reputation and you just can't do that when bringing back a legend
Imagine if Nissan had decided the R35 GTR would be priced the same as the 370z, what corners would they have had to cut?
With the MK5 Supra the cost cutting is obvious, it may look vaguly like a MK4 Supra from the outside but there is no Supra styling in the cabin, it's just a BMW interiour with a Toyota badge on the wheel, gone is the Supra style interiour from the MK3/4. Now obviously some limitations of the Z4 base would have been impossible for Toyota to work around (I.E no rear seats) but the interiour debacle could have been fixed simply by spending more on production (and raising the price).
Toyota are not aiming this car at the type of person who would have previously bought a Supra, they are aiming it at the type of person who previously would have bought a 10 year old used Supra, and this "budget Supra" design mentality has a detrimental effect on both the car and it's attempt to live up to the legacy.
The hilerious thing is, Toyota say they had to partner with BMW to make the car and that it couldn't have been done 100% in house/etc.
But we all know they are lying through their teeth because all they had to do was take an IS/GS350 engine, add an aftermarket bolt on turbo kit, put it in the Lexus LC500 (which actually has a modern Supra style interiour and feels more like being in an MK4 than anything else on the market) and they would have had an instant MK5 Supra.
which is comical as Lexus spent it's first 15 years just selling rebadged Toyotas with added leather
which in itself shows they were never serious about brining back the Supra, it was just a cash grab.
I wish it had a big spoiler on the back.
To be honest the ZF8 put me of the SVR having driven other cars with the ZF8, but in the SVR with the ZF8 I was shocked how good it was, as the Jaguar/SVR guys has really tweaked it so well it essentially felt like a dual clutch gearbox, instant acceleration from a dig, no delay whatsoever, torque converter just instantly locked and fired you off, which was way more responsive than the dual clutch in my Golf R which always had a moment delay from pressing the throttle unless you used LC.