Another step towards 1984 - Government to decide where British citizens are allowed to travel

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I can’t care about everything that affects everybody. I haven’t got the time or energy.

Of course not, no-one has, but that wasn't quite how it came across with the statement of "I don't care, I don't want to go there anyway" and it's not the first time you've exhibited the same type of sentiment

I don’t think it’s government overreach at all. It’s sensible to ban people from travelling to certain areas. It’s protection of government resources as well, as it’s the government that’s expected to assist these people when they travel to silly places and get in trouble.

Which is a much better answer ( :p) and one I agree with you with and for the record I'm not that interested in going to Syria right now either lol, but like I posted, MickeyFinns is and is involved in a business doing so.

But we all know the people who this is supposed to be targeting

Who decides what is a legitimate reason?

The same people who already decide on many other factors that already influence your life

Will the criteria be publicly known and applied evenly and without prejudice?

I would assume it's an assessment on the application taken in context of who the the person is applying. Is there anything in life that is applied completely evenly and without prejudice?

Will those legitimate reasons change over time?

Undoubtedly, I would expect that once Syrias civil war is over and if/when the ISIS jihadis are fully defeated then travel restrictions would be relaxed again, because the people looking to join up with ISIS wouldn't be wanting to go anymore ;)
 
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You can go anywhere you like. Just don't expect to be let back in without being arrested.

Government employees working in sensitive areas have blacklisted countries and have for a long time. Most of them being places you'd never want to visit anyway. Often it's only specific regions and it's pretty obvious why it's done.
 
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I don't think your hyperbolic threat title is representative of reality, but then you already know that, don't you?

This really.

Bit different if the government suddenly decided to blanket ban people traveling to France.

The majority of the population have no reason to travel to Syria. As someone said earlier it's not exactly like it's a holiday destination. There may be some in this country that need to travel out there for work/government business and i'm sure exceptions will apply - for a start most of these will have a privately chartered plane rather than flying London to Syria on a Ryanair flight.
 
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I don't think your hyperbolic threat title is representative of reality, but then you already know that, don't you?
No I firmly believe this is another step towards curtailing our liberties. I am not saying it is a deliberate intention to curtail them. But we are increasingly sleep walking into it.

I understand that you either don't believe it is or value your liberty differently.
 
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I don't think British citizens are breaking the law to simply travel abroad, if they're found to be committing crimes or fighting for terrorist organisations then fair enough, but not to simply travel. We're now at a point where we're making laws to stop people breaking laws.
 
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So in summary all of the people who will argue that Facebook, PayPal, Twitter, Youtube etc can ban your presence from the internet outside of the law and it's perfectly okay but when the government try to restrict your travel to what is effectively a huge bombed out ruin with pockets of terrorists still active(?) it's a huge threat to Freedom. It's good to see people have their priorities straight.
 
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So in summary all of the people who will argue that Facebook, PayPal, Twitter, Youtube etc can ban your presence from the internet outside of the law and it's perfectly okay but when the government try to restrict your travel to what is effectively a huge bombed out ruin with pockets of terrorists still active(?) it's a huge threat to Freedom. It's good to see people have their priorities straight.
There are alternatives to those private companies and the worst impact is simply not being able to use them. But citizens can't simply choose to use a different government and the impact of breaking the new laws is imprisonment. So that's not a very good comparison.
 
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What is it you actually do? Are these tour groups your average citizens, or is this some special convoy of ambassadors/advisors etc.

I'm a partner in specialist tour operator called Lupine Travel. We focus on the harder to visit places in the world like remote islands, breakaway states, places with tricky visas or places with security concerns. A lot of our clients are people trying to visit every country in the world and then we also work on special projects like the Top Gear Chernobyl episode was us, and stuff like the North Korean golf open.
 
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Didn't most of the jihadis go to Turkey first and then from there into Syria?

So this will stop precisely none of them. Even if you banned travel to Turkey and Syria you could go through x,y,z until you reach your destination.

Seems a tad useless.
 
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There are British citizens and "British citizens" and I am happy for our government to make the necessary distinction in these cases. Whilst hog tied in PC, those that actually make these distinctions are still just about not castrated enough to be semi useful. Syria is a huge country, those with legitimate and innocuous needs to travel there from England will still be able to do so, no big deal, and a refreshing grip on reality, given the hoops those that go with ill intent put our authorities through when things turn pear shaped for them.
 
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