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Is there a good round up of currently known about X570 motherbpards anywhere? I was seriously considering MSI this time around but then remembered their BIOS updates are always in some proprietary packed EXE format, which means no injecting microcode updates down the line. With the current frequency of vulnerabilities that's a big minus for me.

There's some listed here (some have product pages too):
https://www.amd.com/en/chipsets/x570
 
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That 8 core part suddenly become a lot more expensive, nearly twice the price. A good reminder that all leaked information should be taken with a grain of salt. Although to be fair the specs are spot on, it looks like AMD decided to shift the whole product stack down near to launch.
 
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Yeah and I/we had to put up with certain vocal AMD posters telling us how AMD would undercut Intel and make everything much cheaper.

Well they didn't.

They matched Intel's prices at the mid-range. A £300 8-core mainstream AMD chip is the same price as an Intel 8-core mainstream chip. No cheaper at all.

Intel
5960X $1000
6900K $1000
9900K $499
9700k $385 8/8


AMD
1800X $499
1700 $329
2700 £299
2700X $329
3700X $329
3900X $499 12/24

Yup, AMD matching Intel pricing the last few years.
 
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8 core 16 thread for $329 from AMD or
8 core 16 thread for $500 from Intel

I think that's a result, do you begrudge AMD making some money on their products?
I think you need to wait for benchmarks before claiming that AMD's self-confessed "entry level" 8 core part beats Intel's best 8-core part

Otherwise that's extremely disingenuous.
 
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As a gamer and coming from a 3770k I'm looking at the 3700X vs 3800X, I think it depends about how well they perform in benchmarks and very curious to see how well they overclock. I think the 3700X will be adequate for my needs.
Same. Time to retire the 3770k methinks.
Rip 3770k 2012-2019
 
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Intel
5960X $1000
6900K $1000
9900K $499
9700k $385 8/8


AMD
1800X $499
1700 $329
2700 £299
2700X $329
3700X $329
3900X $499 12/24

Yup, AMD matching Intel pricing the last few years....
The company with the absolutely highest performing chips (without equal) always charges silly money for them. Both AMD and Intel do/did this.

I'm only bothered about the mid-range chips for two reasons:

1. It's the price point I buy at and
2. Both companies have products which compete at the same performance.

For me - not looking/care at halo products - I can see that AMD is simply matching Intel's pricing.

There is no 8-core/16-thread part for £200 like AMD fans were predicting.

Where are they guys? Where are these 8c/16t £200 chips? Where is the 12c/24t part you were predicting for £300+?

How did those "AMD will save us" predictions go again?

But of course we'll ignore all those predictions now that they were hopelessly wide of the mark, and just concentrate on how these current prices are soooooooooooo greeeeeeeat.
 
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That 8 core part suddenly become a lot more expensive, nearly twice the price. A good reminder that all leaked information should be taken with a grain of salt. Although to be fair the specs are spot on, it looks like AMD decided to shift the whole product stack down near to launch.

I bet they were sat reading these very forums with people saying they happily pay £500 for a CPU :p I imagine Nvidia did the same. Being too much of a fan can get you more than you bargained for.

That said AMD are still cheaper than Intel and with a very good upgrade path.
 
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That 8 core part suddenly become a lot more expensive, nearly twice the price. A good reminder that all leaked information should be taken with a grain of salt. Although to be fair the specs are spot on, it looks like AMD decided to shift the whole product stack down near to launch.
Yup AMD doing an nVidia. Enjoy your mid-range chips we've last-minute moved to occupy the high end SKUs, because lack of competition.

AMD got greedy. Simple as.

Anyway, PS5 going to clean up at these inflated prices.

An "entry-level" (AMD's words) £300 chip with a £250 mobo and £150 RAM means an "entry level" gaming PC is costing close to £1000 again.

AMD did say they weren't the budget champions anymore, and they meant it!

P.S. Look forward to "entry level" Navi costing £300.

Shame was hoping for the leaked 3700x

Ditto. Was a no-brainer if that had been true.

Sadly too good to be true.

I doubt I'll upgrade my PC now. Too rich for me.
 
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Just watched the Keynote. Emmmm, not sure how I feel.
Pretty sure I wont be buying the 12 core at £500!!! ouch. thats a lot. Im not paying that for a gaming CPU.

Never thought I would say this with Zen2 but I might wait to see what Intel do in H2 2019.
 
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