Today's mass shooting in the US

Orionaut · 16 Feb 2019 at 08:18

garnett said:
Do we even know yet whether the cause is mental illness (shooter =white) or terrorism (shooter =brown).

Before commenting, please show some decorum, and wait to see whether this is a moment for pained hand-wringing, and "hopes and prayers", or for sustained noisy and furious demands for Govt to provide the most extreme countermeasures imaginable.

It would appear that the cause was Gang Related (Shooter= Black)

garnett · 16 Feb 2019 at 10:07

Orionaut said:
It would appear that the cause was Gang Related (Shooter= Black)

We should possibly pool terrorism, gang violence, etc - maybe we should call "bad hombre".

C.R.A.Z.Y · 16 Feb 2019 at 13:54

Another day another shooting, nothing will be done though

Rroff · 16 Feb 2019 at 14:02

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Another day another shooting, nothing will be done though

WTF that is tagged as comedy.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 16 Feb 2019 at 14:10

My bad I didn't change the default tag when I quickly uploaded it too my account, cheers for pointing that out I'd better go change it :-/

Angilion · 16 Feb 2019 at 22:34

garnett said:
Hold on. Why is everyone so quick to comment? Do we even know yet whether the cause is mental illness (shooter =white) or terrorism (shooter =brown).

Before commenting, please show some decorum, and wait to see whether this is a moment for pained hand-wringing, and "hopes and prayers", or for sustained noisy and furious demands for Govt to provide the most extreme countermeasures imaginable.

Which has nothing to do with "race", no matter how much you pretend it's only about "race". My initial assumption is that you're projecting your own irrational prejudices onto your target group. Or maybe that you're just aping people who do so because it's fashionable.

Irish_Tom · 17 Feb 2019 at 08:13

Angilion said:
Which has nothing to do with "race", no matter how much you pretend it's only about "race". My initial assumption is that you're projecting your own irrational prejudices onto your target group. Or maybe that you're just aping people who do so because it's fashionable.

Dear Angilion, once again you have completely missed the tone of the original post.

I don’t mean this as a personal attack, it’s a genuine question that will hopefully help people respond to you better in future; have you been diagnosed with some form of autism?

The way you take everything so literally and your inability to understand subtly, subtext, satire or pretty much any kind of literary device, suggests some form of issue with empathy. You clearly read and write at a high level, so I don’t believe it’s a reading deficiency.

The only other thing I can think of is that when it comes to comments about race (which we know is a bugbear of yours), you become so blinded to the subtext that you have to respond as if the post was meant word-for-word.

Feel free to report this post or ask me to retract it and I will edit it without hesitation. However, as this isn’t the first time this has happened, I think it would be useful to understand where you’re coming from so that we can respond to you better in future.

LabR@t · 17 Feb 2019 at 09:59

Tldr, what are the details of the incident in question

Orionaut · 17 Feb 2019 at 11:44

LabR@t said:
Tldr, what are the details of the incident in question

From what I gather, it falls into the "Going Postal/Disgruntled ex-employee" category...

MissChief · 17 Feb 2019 at 14:00

Orionaut said:
From what I gather, it falls into the "Going Postal/Disgruntled ex-employee" category...

Who apparently wasn't licensed to own a firearm at all but still had one.

Rroff · 17 Feb 2019 at 14:04

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Another day another shooting, nothing will be done though

Looks like one of the rounds either exit through the roof or hit something up there on the top left :s whoever filmed potentially lucky he wasn't generally shooting in their direction.

EDIT: Though might just have been the percussive effect if shooting in a confined space pushing dust, etc. out.

Lord-Jaffa · 25 Feb 2019 at 22:43

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Another day another shooting, nothing will be done though

Around 12000-16000 deaths a year from guns in the USA (discounting suicides), yet guns provide a great way to protect yourself as referenced by the CDC report (which you can download in full https://www.nap.edu/catalog/18319/p...reduce-the-threat-of-firearm-related-violence):

Estimates of gun use for self-defence vary widely, in part due to definition differences for self-defensive gun use; different data sources; and questions about accuracy of data, particularly when self-reported. The NCVS has estimated 60,000 to 120,000 defensive uses of guns per year. On the basis of data from 1992 and 1994, the NCVS found 116,000 incidents (McDowall et al., 1998). Another body of research estimated annual gun use for self-defence to be much higher, up to 2.5 million incidents, suggesting that self-defense can be an important crime deterrent (Kleck and Gertz, 1995). Some studies on the association between self-defensive gun use and injury or loss to the victim have found less loss and injury when a firearm is used (Kleck, 2001b).

Current estimates are anywhere from 500k-3million incidents of self defence using a firearm, seems like a decent way to protect yourself.

Werewolf · 25 Feb 2019 at 23:17

It's odd how the CDC are allowed to do studies into how guns can be used for self defence, but IIRC are not (by law/rules laid down by congress) allowed to do studies into the harm guns do...

adolf hamster · 25 Feb 2019 at 23:22

And here we go again.......

Anyone got that pic of the book handy? The one about how guns are necessary to protect yourself from all the people with guns

VincentHanna · 25 Feb 2019 at 23:27

Not sure why Lord Jaffa has skin in the game, but I'm pretty sure that homes with guns are more likely to result in death:

https://www.vox.com/2015/10/1/18000520/gun-risk-death

VincentHanna · 1 Jun 2019 at 00:21

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48481814

Eleven people were killed and six others injured in a mass shooting at a government building in the US state of Virginia, police said.

Police said the suspect, a long-term and current employee at Virginia Beach Municipal Center, where the shooting occurred, fired "indiscriminately".

The gunman, whose identity has not yet been released, also died, police said. A police officer was among the wounded.

Stephanie Peterson · 1 Jun 2019 at 00:25

Here we go again.

Angilion · 1 Jun 2019 at 00:50

Stephanie Peterson said:
Here we go again.

For the next few hours. Mass shootings aren't really news in the USA unless they're politically motivated. They're too common for that.

LOAM · 1 Jun 2019 at 01:14

Angilion said:
For the next few hours. Mass shootings aren't really news in the USA unless they're politically motivated. They're too common for that.

Indeed, its the 150th this year (we are only on day 152), shockingly its not really news anymore.

=XDC=FluphyBunny · 1 Jun 2019 at 19:38

The US are screwed when it comes to gun crime. The issues are the massive numbers of guns in circulation. The second issue is the majority do not care.

Add to to that Lord-Jaffa’s thinking is sadly prevalent among gun owners. If you arm everyone, everyone is safe. Clearly nonsense but ’merica.