That is incorrect. Non-contact time are lessons during the work day where they do not teach so they can do the paperwork at work instead of in the holidays. Teacher normally have a number of non-contact time lessons in the timetable every week. Its not always enough to get everything done but the point of non contact time is so they don't work in the holidays.
GPs complaints regarding work life balance
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While I fully agree about the lack of perspective as there is a massive difference a lot of the time between a Teacher that's never had another job and someone who went into Teaching at a later date. In a Good or better school they cannot just do planning once and remain on repeat.
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Teacher can be done in a 3 year course, GP takes 9 years.
Not berating teachers at all, they are grossly undervalued in society. But it's not the same at all.
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@Buddy - Great post, thank you for taking the time to write it. Being a good GP is incredibly challenging and there aren’t enough GPs. I certainly couldn’t do it!
There appears to be a slow poisoning of the health service lead by underfunding and media slurs. If the people perceive the NHS to be failing, the slow creep of privatisation will be welcomed. This is a terribly dangerous situation for the general public who haven’t ever needed to save a penny to pay for health insurance. At age 60 with high blood pressure and type 2 diabetes you would have very limited options when taking out a new policy. And yet this is the sort of person who would be required to work for another 8 years to support themselves and their family and presumably remain in good health to do so.
Owning a business (like being a GP) is hard work and doesn’t just involve the interactions with clients. The behind the scenes work is crazy for GPs, not just with patient admin but also trying to keep afloat with diminishing tariffs from CCGs. Oh and there’s actually keeping up to date with the ever advancing field of medicine... which as far as I can tell a GP needs to know pretty much everything about.
There appears to be a slow poisoning of the health service lead by underfunding and media slurs. If the people perceive the NHS to be failing, the slow creep of privatisation will be welcomed. This is a terribly dangerous situation for the general public who haven’t ever needed to save a penny to pay for health insurance. At age 60 with high blood pressure and type 2 diabetes you would have very limited options when taking out a new policy. And yet this is the sort of person who would be required to work for another 8 years to support themselves and their family and presumably remain in good health to do so.
Owning a business (like being a GP) is hard work and doesn’t just involve the interactions with clients. The behind the scenes work is crazy for GPs, not just with patient admin but also trying to keep afloat with diminishing tariffs from CCGs. Oh and there’s actually keeping up to date with the ever advancing field of medicine... which as far as I can tell a GP needs to know pretty much everything about.
Yep it's a totally different issue there.
Teaching is just an unattractive career for most people. Especially people with skills in STEM subjects.
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I would argue that it’s almost impossible to know what you’re getting into when a prospective GP starts tailoring A levels and work experience at the age of 16. They won’t get to the sharp end for another 15 years... nearly as long as they’ve been alive! The huge shifts in GP funding alone make it impossible to keep up with, let along the advances in medical practice and the changes in working practice.
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I don't think any salary should affect having a good work life balance.
Doctors salary should reflect thier training and responsibility, not hours worked.
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I'd rather go to a doctor that works 9-5 and is not exhausted.
I don't care he/she is paid £100k. They are paid that for their intellect and the responsibility they have (plus 9 years training).
Air traffic controllers earn silly money but they are not allowed to work long hours otherwise people will die.
I don't care he/she is paid £100k. They are paid that for their intellect and the responsibility they have (plus 9 years training).
Air traffic controllers earn silly money but they are not allowed to work long hours otherwise people will die.
You cannot become a teacher in 3 years.
Two years alone is the teacher training, which you need a degree to access.
You are incorrect.
The lessons you refer to are PPA. Which there is 5 of a fortnight.
Not enough time to plan, mark and prepare for the other 45 lessons.
For example, year groups reports may take 6 hours to deal with. And there is 7 year groups in secondary education.
The "holidays" are intact non contact time. Apart from 30odd days which every single person is entitled too as holiday.
Teachers are expected to work during the "holidays".
Anyone who says different needs to reassess their understanding.
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GPs have the same right to work life balance as anybody else, I don't see that salary has anything to do with it.
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The lady I've mentioned has 5 GCSE's and no A-levels, she failed them. She started a course at college when she was 25 (think it was 3 years, I may be wrong) which then allowed her to apply for and get on to a medical degree. When I applied for St Andrews they were wanting ABB from memory although I don't think they took less than an AAB. GCSE's didn't come in to it. At least for me as they never asked to see my results.
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Being paid lots does not mean you suddenly become super human. Just as nurses and police shouldn’t be subject to extensive hours.
Good posts by Buddy and tom_nieto.
Think we need to focus on the overall issue spanning jobs/roles and mental health/exhaustion/quality of life etc etc.
Nurses shouldn’t be doing the shifts they do, doctors shouldn’t, police men shouldn’t.
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Thats a degree. They still have to carry out the PGCE on the job and then do their NQT. So it's 5 years
Oh also, that's primary. And a very specialised course. Would lock you into primary teaching.
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You start down the path towards being a doctor at 18. Nobody at 18 knows anything.
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The course has PGTE included. You can also do a secondary level one.
3 years to become a teacher, being a specialised course or not is irrelevant, if you wanted to become a teacher it takes 3 years.
No it doesn't, they pop out to consult with colleagues all the time, people have been fixing people since well people existed, yes it requires training and its one of those jobs where you start with 10% and gain experience very quickly but making it out as if its some dark necromancy helps no one apart from the GP own pay packet (another Labour **** up)
But to the issue at hand this is clearly everyone who works excess hrs without getting paid for them, sure you get a deadline now and then and you do not mind staying over. But it is not to be expected just another tool the masters in charge to demand it the norm when it is not. Either employ more people or improve effiency within the allocated time available or by law everyone clocks/in and out and you get paid overtime. That will soon drive efficiency when it hits the bottom line of the masters.