Agent Orange endorses Bonker Boris.

[Combat squirrel]

Classic end game of Capatalism strategy - put an outragous idiot in power, the world falls apart, destroy & rebuild, people have someone to blame, the real people in power (the rich), can reboot society in a way that more suits them..............end of the world situations (as we know it), the rich never suffer, they just make sure they maintain control.

The far right and xenophobic views are part of the human psyche, its just nationalism & brain washing is used and inflammed at a time that suits the powerful, there's a reason Camron announced brexit and why his aids were pushing for brexit, why trumps risen to power - the right average human see's it as a 'protest vote' or 'taking back control' - when infact its always going to lead to the exact opposite of that - society gets out of hand eventually and so called 'measures' are put in place to FURTHER control everyone - basically 99% of the far rights supporters will end up worse off somehow, be in economics or human rights - sadly bringing free thinkers down with them.

Sure I'll get bashed for this POV, its OCUK for god sake, a largely right centre privileged middle-aged mindset here, but its a simple strategy to work out - and its happened already in the worst of ways in (just about) living memory - Hitlers campaign was largely identical to trumps, farages etc - its just nearly all people alive now are so nieve they dont think it could easily happen again - guess what, its inevitable, crowd mob mindset and mentally sick people like the hitlers, trumps farage etc will lead them, they have delusions of being the leader of everything, making society in their image (as did hitler), and if enough easily swayed people follow them............well, millions die as a result, usually anyway, I mean, in the complete history of humanity that dire 'prediction' has literally never failed to happen.

Good luck all, try and do think ahead a few steps as well of your opinions and where supporting such people may (I say 'may', again; its happened 100% of the time in the past) will lead to the death and suffering of countless.

 

[Zefan]

...Hitlers campaign was largely identical to trumps, farages etc...

Please post the evidence that clearly must exist for you to make such a bold statement.

 

[h4rm0ny]

Please post the evidence that clearly must exist for you to make such a bold statement.

You know - the socialist rhetoric, the demands for wage controls, the anti-Jewish aims, the use of mobs to beat up and silence political opponents, the introduction of gun control laws depriving people of the right to own firearms, the incarceration of political opponents, railing against capitalists and industry leaders - all that sort of stuff that Trump engages in.

 

[Combat squirrel]

Please post the evidence that clearly must exist for you to make such a bold statement.

This article briefly sums up points that should concern people, sure society today is at the very start of this slippery slope, but it summarises how any support of anti democratic intentions will never lead to anything good.

"Usually, comparisons between Donald Trump’s America and Nazi Germany come from cranks and internet trolls. But a new essay in the New York Review of Books pointing out “troubling similarities” between the 1930s and today is different: It’s written by Christopher Browning, one of America’s most eminent and well-respected historians of the Holocaust. In it, he warns that democracy here is under serious threat, in the way that German democracy was prior to Hitler’s rise — and really could topple altogether."

"This is the key point that people often miss when talking about Hitler’s rise. The breakdown of German democracy started well before Hitler: Hyperpolarization led Hindenburg to strip away constraints on executive power as well as conclude that his left-wing opponents were a greater threat than fascism. The result, then, was a degradation of the everyday practice of democracy, to the point where the system was vulnerable to a Hitler-style figure."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/5/17940610/trump-hitler-history-historian

 

[Deluxe1]

Love it how Trump can trigger so many people so easily.

 

[h4rm0ny]

This article briefly sums up points that should concern people, sure society today is at the very start of this slippery slope, but it summarises how any support of anti democratic intentions will never lead to anything good.

"Usually, comparisons between Donald Trump’s America and Nazi Germany come from cranks and internet trolls. But a new essay in the New York Review of Books pointing out “troubling similarities” between the 1930s and today is different: It’s written by Christopher Browning, one of America’s most eminent and well-respected historians of the Holocaust. In it, he warns that democracy here is under serious threat, in the way that German democracy was prior to Hitler’s rise — and really could topple altogether."

"This is the key point that people often miss when talking about Hitler’s rise. The breakdown of German democracy started well before Hitler: Hyperpolarization led Hindenburg to strip away constraints on executive power as well as conclude that his left-wing opponents were a greater threat than fascism. The result, then, was a degradation of the everyday practice of democracy, to the point where the system was vulnerable to a Hitler-style figure."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/5/17940610/trump-hitler-history-historian

Vox is journalistic sewage. Also, got to love the way they've spent years pushing a left wing line and affecting to be oh-so-concerned about the ordinary working person. And then when their staff try to form a union they change their entire hiring policy to avoid full-time employees and go all-in for the gig economy.

That dealt with, there's an available expert for any position you like and US academia is notoriously biased. I agree that there are threats to democracy in the West right now - but how does that make it the case that Trump is pursuing the same behaviour as Hitler? Perhaps you would enjoy trying to argue your actual own case rather than Googling for someone to quote (and a quote that doesn't actually show your claim anyway). If you like we could start with your concerns about "hyper-polarisation". Who do you think is the most responsible for that? Trump? Or media that has spent years pushing the narrative that he's a modern Hitler? Do you not think that maybe you comparing him to Hitler is something that causes the polarisation you claim to care about? And that if you were less insanely hyperbolic things would be less polarised? And who do you think might be showing the least respect towards democracy? Those that try to make up charges to depose the elected president or the president himself? Those who accepted the result of the election or those that started going #Resist and #NotMyPresident and calling for a refusal to accept the results.

TL;DR: If you care about the increasing political divide then condemn biased media and nonsense like this:

 

[Combat squirrel]

Vox is journalistic sewage. Also, got to love the way they've spent years pushing a left wing line and affecting to be oh-so-concerned about the ordinary working person.

Demonstrably the problem with debates in the age of information - everyone's already decided their position based on emotion, near none follow fact based reasoning, and those that follow fact based logical reasoning become emotionally annoyed because people chat **** and bend facts to fit their POV.

Maybe the age of information will cause more fallout than the age of atomic weapons - because no one is acting sensibly.

 

[h4rm0ny]

Demonstrably the problem with debates in the age of information - everyone's already decided their position based on emotion, near none follow fact based reasoning, and those that follow fact based logical reasoning become emotionally annoyed because people chat **** and bend facts to fit their POV.

Says the person who likens Trump to Adolf Hitler.

 

[StriderX]

Did he actually liken him to Hitler or likening his environment to it?

The difference matters because Trump is too ******* stupid and old to actually be Hitler-esque.

People always run it down to comparing things to the man himself when largely it was his support group that was the main culprit, and the GOP currently seem to not like it when the system is used against them, constantly blocking bills because of executive power is fascistic.

 

[stockhausen]

Says the person who likens Trump to Adolf Hitler.

Actually, I believe that the London Mayor may have made this connection between racist bigots. I guess that your confusion is a more or less inevitable result when your primary source of information is a PC parts website forum

 

[Robert]

Maybe because Trump actually knows how to negotiate and our government doesn't have the first idea. Trump likes Britain a lot, he has a Scottish Mother so is basically half British, you think he wants to make us a slave state? He probably cares more about the UK than half our politicians

Oh dear god, have you been living in a bubble?

 

[stockhausen]

Agent Orange has denied calling the Duchess of Sussex, Meghan Markle, "nasty" saying that the claim was "Made up by the Fake News Media, and they got caught cold!" despite the comments being recorded in a Fake News Sun interview - perhaps he misspoke?

 

[h4rm0ny]

Actually, I believe that the London Mayor may have made this connection between racist bigots. I guess that your confusion is a more or less inevitable result when your primary source of information is a PC parts website forum

If there's any confusion on my part it's why you would be replying on behalf on Combat Squirrel as if I'd addressed you. As to the insults, I disregard them.

 

[h4rm0ny]

Agent Orange has denied calling the Duchess of Sussex, Meghan Markle, "nasty" saying that the claim was "Made up by the Fake News Media, and they got caught cold!" despite the comments being recorded in a Fake News Sun interview - perhaps he misspoke?

Let's examine the actual recording:

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1134809885957414917

It's only 44 seconds. If you'd like to pretend intellectual honesty you should at least listen to it. So yes - fake news. And exactly why people don't trust it or those who uncritically latch on to it like yourself because you want him to be worse than he is. I also never had you down as such a royalist!

 

[Combat squirrel]

Says the person who likens Trump to Adolf Hitler.

The thing is, you saw vox reporting some information and disregarded it - despite vox not supplying the historical comparison, it was written by Christopher Browning, one of America’s most eminent and well-respected historians of the Holocaust................... so your writing off a valid point of view, written by a credible researcher, because you don't want to believe there is real comparisons between nazi's & modern day polotics, fascism, is fascism there is no way around it, even if that fact destorys your 'safe world' view.

 

[Roar87]

The amount of hyperbole around Trump is actually crazy, people are literally mental. You would actually think he had set up death camps or something with the way people speak about him. Mean while the Chinese President or the King of Saudi Arabia comes for a visit and everyone's quiet as a mouse. I swear most people are just total bots with a complete lack of independent thinking.

 

[h4rm0ny]

The thing is, you saw vox reporting some information and disregarded it - despite vox not supplying the historical comparison, it was written by Christopher Browning, one of America’s most eminent and well-respected historians of the Holocaust................... so your writing off a valid point of view, written by a credible researcher, because you don't want to believe there is real comparisons between nazi's & modern day polotics, fascism, is fascism there is no way around it, even if that fact destorys your 'safe world' view.

I pointed out that Vox are trash. I THEN went on to say why your quote (a) didn't support what you said and (b) invited you to put an actual argument (c) said US academia was riddled with bias.

You instead focused in on my opinion of Vox and disregarded the fact that you hadn't put forward any support for your claim. That opportunity still awaits you. Or will you continue to Google up quotes that don't actually contribute an argument.

 

[chroniclard]

The amount of hyperbole around Trump is actually crazy, people are literally mental. You would actually think he had set up death camps or something with the way people speak about him. Mean while the Chinese President or the King of Saudi Arabia comes for a visit and everyone's quiet as a mouse. I swear most people are just total bots with a complete lack of independent thinking.

Its basically because he is a massive nob.

 

[stockhausen]

The amount of hyperbole around Trump is actually crazy, people are literally mental. You would actually think he had set up death camps or something with the way people speak about him. Mean while the Chinese President or the King of Saudi Arabia comes for a visit and everyone's quiet as a mouse. I swear most people are just total bots with a complete lack of independent thinking.

Talking about "mental" . . . I do find it odd when someone assumes that anyone opposed to Agent Orange and his views / policies is not also opposed to the Chinese President or the King of Saudi Arabia or in fact to the PM of Israel . . . VERY odd

 

[FTM]

Boris will happily sell of the NHS to american insurance institutions

the EU protects us at the moment from price gouging a lot of medicines

the tories will sell it all down the river to set up trade deals