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Except that going from an i9 9900k to Ryzen 7 isn't a upgrade at all, but sidegrade.
This is why people expected and hoped for the 12-core offerings.

What are you saying now? That long live the i9-9900k or what?

A 12C AMD Ryzen 9 costs the same as a Core i9 9900K. So if you are in the market for a new system,and have something older,a Ryzen 7 3700X and a £100 to £150 board will cost the same as a Core i9 9900K.

People seemed to be on purpose pushing the board prices up for the lower end 65W TDP SKUs. I know people running overclocked Ryzen 7 2700 CPUs on B450M Mortar and B450 Gaming AC boards which are £90 to £120 motherboards.
 
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I find it utterly weird people are needing high end boards if you are going for the 6 or 8 core CPUs. The TDPs are not higher and they are 7NM CPUs,so power consumption shouldn't be a problem. I would expect an overclocked Ryzen 7 3700X should consume less power than an overclocked Core i9 9900K.

For instance your ASRock was fine with a Ryzen 5 1600 overclocked and I would expect a £100 board should be fine with a Ryzen 5 3600.

Yeah, but if i can get an X4/500 series board for cheap enough, upto £150 i might do it, i fancy a change from my old board. that's all it is, i will probably end up with a B450 Tomahawk :O

Except that going from an i9 9900k to Ryzen 7 isn't a upgrade at all, but sidegrade.
This is why people expected and hoped for the 12-core offerings.

What are you saying now? That long live the i9-9900k or what?

I said Intel, i'm not specifying anything, of course you're right and i would not suggest it.
 
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Also B550 boards will be out at some point,so if these support PCI-E 4.0 on the main PCI-E slot,you don't need an X570. Remember,if you buy an Intel CPU now you have no access to PCI-E 4.0 now and I don't think that will suddenly stop people buying Intel CPUs for gaming either.

Yeah, but if i can get an X4/500 series board for cheap enough, upto £150 i might do it, i fancy a change from my old board. that's all it is, i will probably end up with a B450 Tomahawk :O



I said Intel, i'm not specifying anything, of course you're right and i would not suggest it.

TBF,you could wait and see what the B550 is like too.
 
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Also B550 boards will be out at some point,so if these support PCI-E 4.0 on the main PCI-E slot,you don't need an X570. Remember,if you buy an Intel CPU now you have no access to PCI-E 4.0 now and I don't think that will suddenly stop people buying Intel CPUs for gaming either.



TBF,you could wait and see what the B550 is like too.

True, keep my old board in the mean time.
 
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My upgrade will cost me the price of whichever Ryzen 3000 chip i buy :p

Oh, and i will sell my 2700X with the Wraith Prism cooler i still have, the cooler that i only used for 1 day cause i was curious lol :)
 
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Somehow the 1600 came with the larger Wraith Spire (vs the Wraith Stealth) still in the box, never used.
I feel it just adds a few quid on the sale, i nearly sold it as they were going for £40-£45 on the bay just after the 2700X release.

Anyway, will be looking at the 3800X reviews mostly although the 3900X might be tempting :D
 
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I suppose 1 advantage for us that don't upgrade very often (still running 4690k) spending a little more soon on an X570 board and buying a 3800x with the option in a few years to stick in a 16 core version in the same board for the price of the CPU only makes sense? That's what I was thinking of doing, depends on the prices at the end of the day.
 
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I suppose 1 advantage for us that don't upgrade very often (still running 4690k) spending a little more soon on an X570 board and buying a 3800x with the option in a few years to stick in a 16 core version in the same board for the price of the CPU only makes sense? That's what I was thinking of doing, depends on the prices at the end of the day.

Indeed, and plenty of people have upgraded from 2500K to 2600K/3770K or 4570K to 4790K etc. Although there is some merit in not blowing too much cash on a board with features you will never use, as it could just be further points of failure that you would have avoided, it might be better to spend £170 twice in 5-6 years total, than spend £280-300 once, which after the sale of the old part brings to to an equal cost overall.

Plenty of options really, it is easy for some folk to get carried away making wild assumptions that you need to spend £xxx hundred on a motherboard or it will be craptastic, or unless you buy 12c/24t now you are wasting your time etc. and you have to buy 3200MHz B-die at double the cost of 3000MHz RAM for that extra 3% in blender, or 4 FPS in ROTTR, and so on.
 
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Another 2500k upgrader here. I've waited this long for a new system, I'm sure I can wait another couple of months for the first adopters to figure out what works and what doesn't. Maybe by then prices will come down a little too.
Hopefully it's a good summer so I won't need my computer much.
 
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I was thinking of upgrading, but tbh I don’t need too. I just want new shiny shiny. Think I’m going to wait for pci-e 5.0 which shouldn’t be too far off. Doubt pci-e 4.0 will be here long.
 
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I was thinking of upgrading, but tbh I don’t need too. I just want new shiny shiny. Think I’m going to wait for pci-e 5.0 which shouldn’t be too far off. Doubt pci-e 4.0 will be here long.

2020/2021 for enterprise on PCI-e 5. we probably wont see it till around 2022... Doesn't seem worth the wait.
 
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2020/2021 for enterprise on PCI-e 5. we probably wont see it till around 2022... Doesn't seem worth the wait.

Pretty sure that AMD EPYC Milan (Zen3) will be 5.0, and due to the very nature of AMD's layout using chiplets this would allow pass down to Zen3 desktop and HEDT in the same time frame, lets not forget Intel can't be seen to be getting ahead having it in 2021! :)
 
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I'm not bothered about Zen 2 CPU and motherboard prices, it would only start to annoy me if even entry level X570 boards turned out to be £200+, but even then I've still got the choice to go to X470, B450, or wait for B550. I'm only having second thoughts about Zen 2 because my 6700k is plenty good enough for most things I do on PC and I think I'm only interested because of the 'ooh shiny new thing' factor.
 
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Must have done.

If you already have an Intel system all you need is the CPU and board.

£400 3800X
<£250 for the board

<£650.

you don't need RAM as you have DDR4 from the Intel system, just like all the other components.

All you need is the board and CPU. if you wan't a new GPU too, well that's not part of "the Ryzen 3000 upgrade / Intel switch"
You'll need new RAM if you aren't upgrading from Skylake or better. You know that, right?

What about all of us on 2500K-s? We are legion!

It's fun to watch you doing backflips to show how a new Ryzen 3000 system can cost less than a bag of peanuts, but it's also more than a tad dishonest.

e: For the majority of those that upgrade infrequently, a Ryzen CPU + motherboard alone is likely to cost £550.

Just for those two components.

OK add RAM that's another £150 minimum.

So £700 for a Ryzen 3000 upgrade.

That's probably a lot more than many AMD advocates were expecting earlier in the year, can almost guarantee it...
 
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So £700 for a Ryzen 3000 upgrade.

Or less, or more...

Ryzen 5 3600 - £189
ASRock Phantom Gaming 4 X570 - £139
16GB (2x 8GB) Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3000MHz - £68

Total = £396

Ryzen 9 3900X - £499
Asus/Asrock/Gigabyte/MSI Highend board - £300-400
16GB Overpriced branded RAM - £150-200

Total = £949 - 1099.

;)
 
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