Soldato
Xbone X does 4K 30fps. Since microsoft says is 4 times more powerful with up to 120fps, targeting customers also at 8K 30fps. Doesn't take much to start doing maths.
If 8K 30fps is the target then 4K 120 fps is possible.
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Xbone X does 4K 30fps. Since microsoft says is 4 times more powerful with up to 120fps, targeting customers also at 8K 30fps. Doesn't take much to start doing maths.
If 8K 30fps is the target then 4K 120 fps is possible.
Caporegime
Just sounds like you're hyping yourself up.
Will see it to believe it, but if what you're suggesting was true, there's basically no point to PC game anymore.
Dont forget also the Microsoft poresentation stated Project Scarlet will be released Christmas 2020 so the performanbce figures given + Ray tracing is more than likely Next Gen Navi or a higher Sku of this Gen that will be anounced at a later date.
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Just seen the Xbox announcement and they claim Navi has hardware level ray tracing and 8k capabilities I wonder if Navi is better than AMD are letting on
Caporegime
Or it's all hyperbole.
Doubtful it'd be next gen Navi, as much as Scarlett sounds like a concept console.
I guess it all depends on what AMD show tomorrow. At least from my POV.
8k is for movie playback
4x more powerful is GPU + CPU power. The CPU is around 8 times fast and GPU 2 times faster, GPU has the largest impact on performance and that's how they came up with the 4x times number.
120hz will be a screen output up to 4k. That doesn't mean games produce 120fps, it means the it supports a 120hz refresh rate on your TV.
It's unlikely that most games will really do 120fps at 4k, but having an unlocked framerate with VRR over HDMI 2.1 will be SEXY
Sony said the PS5 uses Ray Tracing for Surround Sound Audio, they never mentioned graphics.
Did Microsoft mention what Ray Tracing was used for?
You guys have to read between the lines and look at the details. You're taking everything at face value and jumping on the hype train with assumptions and now some of you believe the Xbox One 2 is twice as faste as a 2080ti
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Caporegime
What’s the point of 120fps on a console when most of the users play on a 60hz telly?
Soldato
New consoles always get hyped up as extreme supercomputers. It's the same playbook all the way back to the 90s. Don't get taken for a ride guys!
What’s the reason to push technology?
It’s the same as always - I bet you said what’s the point of a 4K console when most people are on 1080p when the ps4 pro launched too.
You give them 120hz refresh and that gives them an upgrade path. So they can go out and buy a new telly
Hmm.…… so the 5700xt goes up against the 2070 and their is supposedly 3 better cards, but the top RX5900 only goes head to head with the 2080.
I cannot see that happening personally, as that is a lot to squeeze into a little gap 2070---2080.
but we shall see, not long to go now.
Soldato
https://twitter.com/Xbox/status/1137844761253957632
Introducing Project Scarlett:
Native 4K at 60 FPS, up to 120 FPS
Next gen SSD = 40x faster than current consoles
Hardware accelerated ray tracing
Games, accessories and career come with you
8K capable
Introducing Project Scarlett:
Native 4K at 60 FPS, up to 120 FPS
Next gen SSD = 40x faster than current consoles
Hardware accelerated ray tracing
Games, accessories and career come with you
8K capable
Soldato
4K 60 FPS target was obvious. Anyone with even a gram of hardware & game knowledge understands this. There's nothing unbelievable about it, in fact anyone with a V64 or a 2070 can go out and test this for themselves, so long as they understand one thing: settings aren't locked to the maximum preset. And also, game development optimises over time. It gets easier to do the same thing with time, as the software knowledge advances.
4K 120 FPS also doable for the lighter esports title & the like. Overwatch, Rocket League, etc.
8K isn't too far fetched either, but I reckon this is more of a spec-sheet feature than anything. Obviously it will have 8K video playback, but it could also have something like DirectML 8K for some games. I wouldn't expect too much on that front. Edit: Could also be 8K for back-compat games, e.g. really old ones.
What's clear is that this console is going to be an absolute BEAST. Now it's up to Nvidia to push RT further for PC, because they're about to get hit in the head with a 10-ton bomb for mass market.
4K 120 FPS also doable for the lighter esports title & the like. Overwatch, Rocket League, etc.
8K isn't too far fetched either, but I reckon this is more of a spec-sheet feature than anything. Obviously it will have 8K video playback, but it could also have something like DirectML 8K for some games. I wouldn't expect too much on that front. Edit: Could also be 8K for back-compat games, e.g. really old ones.
What's clear is that this console is going to be an absolute BEAST. Now it's up to Nvidia to push RT further for PC, because they're about to get hit in the head with a 10-ton bomb for mass market.
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Microsoft, not one to let fanboys ride the hype train for too long has clarified some details on their Facebook page.
The next gen Xbox is designed to be a native 4K 60fps machine first and foremost. But if developers want to give gamers a high refresh rate option they can do so with VRR support making sure there is no tearing. And 8k support is not meant for games but to give those who have 8k panels the option of having the OS UI look nice as well as being able to use apps in 8k once those features are added in the future
The next gen Xbox is designed to be a native 4K 60fps machine first and foremost. But if developers want to give gamers a high refresh rate option they can do so with VRR support making sure there is no tearing. And 8k support is not meant for games but to give those who have 8k panels the option of having the OS UI look nice as well as being able to use apps in 8k once those features are added in the future
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As someone who owns a Vega64 and 4k Freesync setup I have to concur. With a mix of pretty high setting I can get to 60fps maintained. Compromises have to be done but the visuals don't have to be sacrificed as much as some would think. Freesync does help a lot when needed. A console with the same or more power should in theory be more potent with straight to hardware optimizations.
@TheRealDeal
Yup, exactly.
I always give this example. If you turn volumetric clouds to ultra in AC: Odyssey you get a 40% performance hit. When you look at 2080ti benchmark results you then think "omg 4k 60 fps is impossible not even 2080 ti can do it", but then you look at a properly set-up game and all of a sudden performance is just oozing everywhere. Same with DX:MD and CHS, Metro & Advanced DOF, same with a lot of other games, with a lot of other settings. No real visual drop but a lot more performance.
Yup, exactly.
I always give this example. If you turn volumetric clouds to ultra in AC: Odyssey you get a 40% performance hit. When you look at 2080ti benchmark results you then think "omg 4k 60 fps is impossible not even 2080 ti can do it", but then you look at a properly set-up game and all of a sudden performance is just oozing everywhere. Same with DX:MD and CHS, Metro & Advanced DOF, same with a lot of other games, with a lot of other settings. No real visual drop but a lot more performance.
Haha yep
I heard all these bad things about Odyssey
But once o tweak a couple settings like turning down the clouds it can easily average as high as 4K 90fps with the tiniest changes to vactual visual quality.
People might be blown away by next gen consoles, but you can achieve a lot with very little visual sacrifice by turning down a few settings and this is the case for most games.
People also tend to forget that benchmarks are just that - benchmarking to stress hardware, not necessarily the settings people should use while gaming
I heard all these bad things about Odyssey
But once o tweak a couple settings like turning down the clouds it can easily average as high as 4K 90fps with the tiniest changes to vactual visual quality.
People might be blown away by next gen consoles, but you can achieve a lot with very little visual sacrifice by turning down a few settings and this is the case for most games.
People also tend to forget that benchmarks are just that - benchmarking to stress hardware, not necessarily the settings people should use while gaming
