F1 2019

Cavallino · 12 Jun 2019 at 10:03

Blimey 1.3k for the DD1/2?

What else is reasonable other than the G920 in your opinions? For say around £250 to £300?

foster grant · 12 Jun 2019 at 11:15

Cavallino said:
Blimey 1.3k for the DD1/2?

What else is reasonable other than the G920 in your opinions? For say around £250 to £300?

It's a shame you cant go a little higher ? and maybe look at a T300 or a TS PC Racer as they will be much better than a G920 .

Cavallino · 12 Jun 2019 at 12:05

Thanks Ive seen several TSPC variants, could you link to the one in your mind?

What makes these better than the G920?

markoboyo11 · 12 Jun 2019 at 12:52

The upgrade from g920 to a t300 would be very slim tbh.

If you are looking to upgrade I would get the csl elite, only proper upgrade imo.

Thrustmaster stuff still looks like kids toys to me, where the elite is a adult toy lol .

For 250-300 I would just keep the g290 tbh, I had the g29 and it was decent.

Cavallino · 12 Jun 2019 at 13:08

I see, thanks for the advice folks.
What makes the CSL elite better than the G920?

foster grant · 12 Jun 2019 at 13:25

yeah the G29 does work very well anfd comes with pedals but i found it very clunky and loud , but I think the TS PC wheel is way more accurate runs cooler more quiet, sadly though it does not come with pedals .

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/thrustmaster-ts-pc-racer-racing-wheel-pc-2968040-gc-079-th.html

markoboyo11 · 12 Jun 2019 at 13:26

The g290 uses gears that's the clanking noise you hear and the bitty feel where are others are belt driven so much smoother.

basically everything is better from tech, to strength, configure ability, built quality, looks, huge choice of swapable quality rims.

Logitech is a great wheel for the money, thrustmaster I'm not keen on as too kid like and poor quality for the money.

Fanatec was the only real upgrade worth considering for me, when you are in the eco system you only need to upgrade one bit aswell.
Eg if I go direct drive my rims and pedals will work on it perfect.

foster grant · 12 Jun 2019 at 13:37

Yeah lol I took those stickers off

I did have the T300 but dropped the base unit and after that it wouldnt work , but still have the rim and the pedals

Marky · 12 Jun 2019 at 13:42

I have a Logitech G29 which is fantastic - Well impressed with it... Although, I admit I am considering selling it as I just don't get the time to play as often as I like anymore

Yadda · 12 Jun 2019 at 13:59

Wow, the visuals have come on a bit. It'll be interesting to see how it drives.

Cavallino · 14 Jun 2019 at 19:45

Folks so what the most reasonable direct drive system?
Is it best to go with that over belt?

neckbeardthethird · 14 Jun 2019 at 21:07

Cavallino said:
Folks so what the most reasonable direct drive system?
Is it best to go with that over belt?

Most reasonably priced is an entry level OSW setup from somewhere like simracingbay but getting a direct drive wheel for a game like codermasters F1 is pretty mad given the series has objectively poor FFB and up until recently didn't even support direct drive wheels.

If you're going direct drive you naturally want to get the most out of it and to do that you're going to need to play sims with far better wheel support/FFB such as iRacing, Assetto Corsa, rFactor 2 etc where the difference in feel is night and day compared to codemasters games.

Cavallino · 14 Jun 2019 at 22:06

Oh absolutely. This is not only F1 2010 driven but wanting to get into AC and PC2 mainly. And eventually iracing.

Can these direct drive affairs be mounted on sturdy tables or will the motor just rip the tables apart and better having it on a frame?

And this OSW who is it made by exactly?

neckbeardthethird · 14 Jun 2019 at 23:08

Cavallino said:
Oh absolutely. This is not only F1 2010 driven but wanting to get into AC and PC2 mainly. And eventually iracing.

Can these direct drive affairs be mounted on sturdy tables or will the motor just rip the tables apart and better having it on a frame?

And this OSW who is it made by exactly?

It's generally not recommended to mount to a table unless the table/desk is very solid and most importantly drilled into the wall, even then its not ideal. The base would certainly have to be permanently hard mounted to the desk... a clamp system wouldn't be enough. Id strongly recommend getting a proper rig/frame for it but it is possible to create your own custom desk solution, people have done it but they've gone to great lengths to make sure everything is completely secure and that there is absolutely no movement in the desk whatsoever even at high forces... if you're half decent at DIY its viable.

OSW isn't a brand as such, it stands for 'open sim wheel', they are custom made pieces of kit consisting of various parts that anyone can buy separately and put together. However, not everyone wants to build everything from scratch so various websites sell pre built with everything you need. Id suggest going for the simucube builds... this is the cheapest one and is more than good enough

https://www.simracingbay.com/product/simucube-2-sport/

This video is a review of a slightly older build of the one linked above

Bare in mind that you'll need to buy a wheel/rim as well, you can get conversions of Fanatec formula rims done for about £280 last time i checked... there are tons of other options though, just google 'OSW rims' or something like that.

If this all sounds like a ballache then you could just go down the Fanatec route, they've just released 2 direct drive bases which are an all in on a solution and are compatible with most of the rims on their website. I don't really know anything about these bases though, they are certainly the more aesthetically pleasing solution but i've no idea how they perform up against equivalent spec OSW's or Bodnars. Fanatec doesn't have a great rep for reliability but all their previous wheels were belt driven... so id imagine these will have less issues.

https://www.fanatec.com/eu-en/wheel-bases/podium-wheel-base-dd1-eu-1.html
https://www.fanatec.com/eu-en/wheel-bases/podium-wheel-base-dd2-eu.html

XeNoNF50 · 15 Jun 2019 at 00:42

Pre-ordered this - really looking forward to it! Spent about 10 hours playing my F1 2018 career today in preparation...

Cavallino · 15 Jun 2019 at 14:30

Thanks for the detailed advice.

Is there a commercially available off the shelf direct drive system with pedals?
The fanatec DD don't come with pedals I assume?

neckbeardthethird · 15 Jun 2019 at 14:46

Cavallino said:
Thanks for the detailed advice.

Is there a commercially available off the shelf direct drive system with pedals?
The fanatec DD don't come with pedals I assume?

No, you need to buy pedals separately. Good Pedals are a better investment than a direct drive wheel tbh, you'll find more time in improved braking than you will from going direct drive.

Best cheapish pedals to get are the Fanatec Elite LC pedals, despite the price the brake is notably better than the brake on the more expensive clubsport pedal series (I've owned both as well as HE pro & ultimate pedals).

If you want to go all Fanatec id suggest this setup:

Fanatec DD1 + Formula Carbon rim (Cheapest F1 rim they do) + CSL Elite Pedals LC

That's about £1500 (ish)

markoboyo11 · 15 Jun 2019 at 14:51

Brake performance kit is for the v3s btw, elite Lc comes with different weight bumpers as standard.

neckbeardthethird · 15 Jun 2019 at 15:02

markoboyo11 said:
Brake performance kit is for the v3s btw, elite Lc comes with different weight bumpers as standard.

Ah yes you might be correct, i think i must have had the brake performance kit with the clubsports... I then 'downgraded' them to elite LC's because they were closer in feel to my HE pedals and had a better/more reliable load cell than the clubsports.

Cavallino · 15 Jun 2019 at 16:07

Blimey. How naive I have been about all of this, very much some very deep level stuff that I am completely oblivious to and definitely should research in more detail before jumping in.
I fully understand however that this will not make a better driver.
For me its about the experience of having a more smoother/accurate/realistic drive and getting the right feedback through the wheel and having an overall better driving experience.