Agreed. Nvidia can have all the ray tracing fun for now but developers will always develop for consoles first, at which point if they'll favour whatever they're using. Maybe Nvidia's RT cores will just be THAT much more efficient than the competition.
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Agreed. Nvidia can have all the ray tracing fun for now but developers will always develop for consoles first, at which point if they'll favour whatever they're using. Maybe Nvidia's RT cores will just be THAT much more efficient than the competition.
Soldato
They have been working on the consoles for the last few years with microsoft and sony, it has to be pretty well developed to be a feature to present this early before launch, with over a year left to launch still to sort it all out
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I understand where your coming from as xbox has very little in the way of exclusives compared to the ps4 and most of the console xbox exclusives are also on the pc bar some of the Halos.
I use my xbox one x for gaming in the lounge as my gaming pc is hooked up to an ultra-wide in another room. The next gen xbox is touted to have 4 times the power of the current xbox one x, I think with the optimisations they make on consoles it should possibly surpass the 1080Ti. Time will tell. As it is tho I do use my xbox for gaming with friends and stuff on game pass.
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Sony and Microsoft will have been testing these things in house for ages. Devs kits for these consoles went out last year.
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He says this **** and buys anyhow, ignore him
I don't know, I think he is genuinely butt hurt
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I don't know I think he is genuinely butt hurt
See you at the 7nm party
I know I'll be there if Cyberpunk is sync'd with the launch (and they've fixed The Division 2 DX12 crashing by then!!!!!)
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why?I don't know, I think he is genuinely butt hurt
This just sounds despondent from a hardware enthusiast like yourself....You work hard...why not get a super? The 2080ti offered 30% over a 1080ti or 2080....why the change of view?
Going to a console means you thrown in the towel in PC gaming and no longer are wishing to tolerate the high pricing etc....
I'm looking forward to getting a new Ryzen 3900x 12/24 cpu and I'm sure my 1080ti will handle Cyperpunk 2077 @ 3440x 1440p just fine...
There are great bits of hardware that just have that classic Vibe.....The Q6600, The 1080ti and earlier still the ATI 980....
Jumping on the latest GFX cards at £1200 plus is a mugs game....Then a few months later something comes out to surpass it to take on AMD and we feel deflated....
The fact is Super wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the 5700XT launch incoming.... So its about time we had some competition....The 2080 ti is a great card but was never worth the outlay...and sales have proven this....And if you choose to buy into the high end then you leave yourself open to be manipulated....
Everyone said I was nuts buying an 18 month 1080ti for £579...But tbh...its been a canny move...as nothing has arrived that remotely challenges it for the money V performance....
5700XT for £449 is a joke of a card and the 2070 at 500 plus was even more of a joke...
Its a shame people couldn't have restraint and see they were getting fleeced with RTX and rubbish pricing....and miss out 2080 series completely....But they didn't...and now they want to go back to consoles
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Vulkan can poll for and use nVidia's RTX extensions - the Quake 2 Vulkan renderer queries for - I checked the source.
Realistically it is going to need dedicated hardware to get feasible performance any time soon for a complete GI solution along with caustics, etc. any software implementation any time soon will be either feature lite or lacking in accuracy due to such low ray count.
nVidia seem to have cooked up a pretty killer denoiser as well which makes it possible to get results close to much higher ray counts which I suspect will be proprietary and probably make the difference in terms of feasibility. It seems to rely heavily on their machine learning tech so frankly it is going to take a lot of resources for anyone else to replicate that.
AMD said it would come to hardware with next gen Navi next year. But that does leave open the question how much hardware. E.g. it could be a few instructions that help some aspects but no where near the extent if Nvidia's dedicated cores. It could be Nvidia style. It could be a lot more. Nothing I have seen suggests Nvidia have any particularly amazing RTX technology, just they are first to marker. There may be more intelligent hardware approaches
Soldato
Very true, AMD have been doing ray tracing for a good long while now with rays and rays 2.0 its not like they dont already know all about it and how to use it
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Indeed, until yesterday, as you can now get an RTX 2080 for £532
Not that I'd buy one mind you, just saying.
Soldato
what ?
Indeed, until yesterday, as you can now get an RTX 2080 for £532
Not that I'd buy one mind you, just saying.
Not from any reputable online dealer I can see... £599 on ocuk ....But thats now, I needed a card before now...And I wouldn't buy one no due to the super incoming
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But thats now, I needed a card before now...And I wouldnt buy one no due to the super incoming
Oh yeah, I know that. I just meant that finally the prices are dropping towards the same price to performance that you could get 2 years ago.
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Oh yeah, I know that. I just meant that finally the prices are dropping towards the same price to performance that you could get 2 years ago.
The price war will start....with the 2070 and 2080 tier cards....
And like for like the Gigabyte OC 2080 is £659
Soldato
What do you mean what? Google radeon rays and see how far back they have been doing ray tracing, even before the name changed to radeon rays there was something else before that.