Assange to go!

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Oh dear, the Russians are getting desperate. Check out this classic blunder from their propaganda agents!



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So that kills the 'Assange is too sick to communicate because the deep state is slowly murdering him' narrative.

:D

The video was obviously taken shortly after he was sent to belmarsh back in April, you dip. It is now the 2nd week of June and he's since been moved to the hospital wing and has been losing lots of weight

And you call me a conspiracy nut, you just lap up the Russia BS like a good NPC
 
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Q is BS, I've never even brought Q up once on here. But Assange knows who leaked him the emails, has strongly said that it wasn't a state actor and strongly hinted it was a DNC insider.

For someone who has never proven to be wrong about anything, pretty convincing stuff
 
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The current state of Assange's legal situation:

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Another conspiracy...

How is it a conspiracy?

How do you know when that video was taken exactly?

Because the Russians helpfully confirmed that it's recent.
 
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Laura Poitras—an Academy award winning director—lifts the veil which until now has kept Julian Assange shielded from public scrutiny. In Risk she exposes the cult of Assange, and the unrepentant criminal who ruthlessly exploits, abuses, and divides his own followers:

 
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I'm not doing anything of the sort. Assange is not a journalist, and he's not being persecuted. He's experiencing justice, for what might actually be the first time in his entire life.

Assange is/was a journalist, one of the few remaining, who risked everything to tell the truth and show people what governments/politicians truly got up to behind closed doors - to say any different shows your bias for what it is.

If you love or hate him Assange published information as a journalist and should have protections as such. He is, and will be, persecuted until he is locked up for life, or worse, as a deterrent to other people not to be so bold. It's a power play and they, USA/governments, have the power over the plebeians.
 
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Assange is/was a journalist, one of the few remaining, who risked everything to tell the truth and show people what governments/politicians truly got up to behind closed doors - to say any different shows your bias for what it is.

Assange has performed some very, very, very minor journalistic work that's true but what he's known for - Wikileaks - is not journalism. It's publishing. In fact, almost entirely, it wasn't Assange who was revealing what went on, he just slopped it out there without even a passing concern for - just as an example - doxxing homosexuals in countries where homosexuality is illegal. Snowden, on the other hand, took his information to real journalists who then took care to redact the information they published to protect the innocent.

Wikileaks has revealed some things that should be publicaly known but they show a cavalier disregard for whether what they reveal is, in any way, in the public interest. As such, they do a entirely unacceptable amount of collateral damage and even that's before you getting into Assange chumming up with a brutal dictator in order to settle a personal political score.

If you love or hate him Assange published information as a journalist and should have protections as such. He is, and will be, persecuted until he is locked up for life, or worse, as a deterrent to other people not to be so bold. It's a power play and they, USA/governments, have the power over the plebeians.

To date the only punishment Assange has received is a 50 week jail sentence for skipping bail in order to avoid a fair trial for rape. The charge he faces extradition to the US for carries a five year jail term should be ever actually be extradited which is far from clear.
 
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I'm not doing anything of the sort. Assange is not a journalist, and he's not being persecuted. He's experiencing justice, for what might actually be the first time in his entire life.

Yes, you are. You are revelling in it with your silly pictures and slurs.

If he's not a journalist what is he? This is a man who has risked everything publishing information that the US does not want to be seen revealing war crimes such as the famous collateral damage video where a US gunship in Iraq massacred Iraqi civilians and two Reuters journalists in cold blood.

Everything he and Wikileaks have published has shown to be true. How many other publishers have that record? They have not had to make a single retraction.

He's not being persecuted? Well, I think I'll defer to the United Nations Working Group on Arbitrary Detention (made up of a panel of impartial senior international judges) who have ruled in his favour twice saying his being forced to seek refuge in the Ecuadorean embassy was arbitrary detention by the UK. Oh, and how about the UN Special Rapportuer for Torture who said that exactly:

“Since 2010, when Wikileaks started publishing evidence of war crimes and torture committed by US forces, we have seen a sustained and concerted effort by several States towards getting Mr. Assange extradited to the United States for prosecution, raising serious concern over the criminalisation of investigative journalism in violation of both the US Constitution and international human rights law,” Melzer said.

“Since then, there has been a relentless and unrestrained campaign of public mobbing, intimidation and defamation against Mr. Assange, not only in the United States, but also in the United Kingdom, Sweden and, more recently, Ecuador.” According to the expert, this included an endless stream of humiliating, debasing and threatening statements in the press and on social media, but also by senior political figures, and even by judicial magistrates involved in proceedings against Assange.

“In the course of the past nine years, Mr. Assange has been exposed to persistent, progressively severe abuse ranging from systematic judicial persecution and arbitrary confinement in the Ecuadorian embassy, to his oppressive isolation, harassment and surveillance inside the embassy, and from deliberate collective ridicule, insults and humiliation, to open instigation of violence and even repeated calls for his assassination.”

Melzer was accompanied during his prison visit on 9 May by two medical experts specialised in examining potential victims of torture and other ill-treatment.

The team were able to speak with Assange in confidence and to conduct a thorough medical assessment.

“It was obvious that Mr. Assange’s health has been seriously affected by the extremely hostile and arbitrary environment he has been exposed to for many years,” the expert said. “Most importantly, in addition to physical ailments, Mr. Assange showed all symptoms typical for prolonged exposure to psychological torture, including extreme stress, chronic anxiety and intense psychological trauma."


https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=24665&LangID=E

What is he experiencing justice for? Do tell.
 
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Assange has performed some very, very, very minor journalistic work that's true but what he's known for - Wikileaks - is not journalism. It's publishing. In fact, almost entirely, it wasn't Assange who was revealing what went on, he just slopped it out there without even a passing concern for - just as an example - doxxing homosexuals in countries where homosexuality is illegal. Snowden, on the other hand, took his information to real journalists who then took care to redact the information they published to protect the innocent.

Wikileaks has revealed some things that should be publicaly known but they show a cavalier disregard for whether what they reveal is, in any way, in the public interest. As such, they do a entirely unacceptable amount of collateral damage and even that's before you getting into Assange chumming up with a brutal dictator in order to settle a personal political score.

To date the only punishment Assange has received is a 50 week jail sentence for skipping bail in order to avoid a fair trial for rape. The charge he faces extradition to the US for carries a five year jail term should be ever actually be extradited which is far from clear.

"Very, very, very minor journalistic work?"

You call publishing in full the US embassy cables (a treasure trove for historians revealing the true motives of the US), the Iraq & Afghanistan War logs (revealing numerous war crimes), the Clinton campaign emails, the CIA Vault 7 documents which detailed the capabilities of the US in spying on everyone around the world very, very, very minor? I think you need a new dictionary as your definition of 'minor' is nonsense.

The US & UK government clearly disagree with you as you don't post a 24/7 365 days a year police surveillance operation around an embassy for 7 years costing £11 million for 'very, very, very minor journalistic' activities, no?

Yeah, Snowden (who was courageous) took his info to Greenwald and the Intercept who released a tiny amount of the information he passed to them and buried the rest. "Real" journalists, eh?

"To date the only punishment Assange has received is a 50 week jail sentence for skipping bail in order to avoid a fair trial for rape. The charge he faces extradition to the US for carries a five year jail term should be ever actually be extradited which is far from clear."

Where do i begin?

Assange was arbitrarily detained (the UN's words, not mine) in the Ecuadorean embassy since 2012 after seeking asylum for political persecution which he was granted. Seven years of his life gone which in the last couple of years or so after the election of Moreno was perseuction...that's not a punishment?

A fair trial for rape? What 'rape'? Charges were never brought by the Swedes after how many years? Why not? Assange has always made himself available for questioning yet they refused to move forward with the investigation. Gee, I wonder why. The first Swedish prosecutor dismissed the alllegations right away as being without evidence. Under a freedom of information request to the CPS it has been shown that they were pressurising the Swedes to carry on with their allegations telling them 'not to get cold feet'.

A 50 week custodial sentence for skipping bail over allegations that the Swedes later dropped? Are you for real? I'm a solicitor and I have never seen anyone getting the near max sentece for skipping bail even when they have a record of doing it countless times.

This is a poliitical perseuction.

P.S. Please detail these claims of 'doxxing homosexuals'. The only thing I could find is where they gave details about a case of where homosexuals had already been arrested by the Saudis so it was already in the public domain.
 
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A journalist does a lot more than just publish stuff handed to them, one of the key differences between a journalist and a publisher is that a journalist does investigations, checks sources, and attempts to protect innocent parties who may be badly hurt by what they publish.

A publisher can be as simple as putting stuff on a website without any checks.

Assange was primarily a human face for wikileaks, IIRC he did little if no actual journalism, but was mainly the person they trotted out to show the media that they weren't just some random website.

I suspect his sentence for jumping bail will have been for two reason - the very highly and public way in which he stuck two fingers up at the law, and the length of time he did it for.
I'm not a solicitor but I am aware that the judicial system tends to be very harsh on people that flout the courts/legal system (part of the reason something as simple as minor speeding can end up in jail time if you are found to have lied on the forms), and especially so when it's something very high profile, if just to remind people you don't screw with the legal system.
 
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If he's not a journalist what is he?

He's a guy who runs an information clearing house, and does so very irresponsibly.

This is a man who has risked everything publishing information that the US does not want to be seen revealing war crimes such as the famous collateral damage video where a US gunship in Iraq massacred Iraqi civilians and two Reuters journalists in cold blood.

Yes, Wikileaks has done a great job of exposing government crimes, and I give them full credit for that. But 'risked everything'? I hardly think so.

Everything he and Wikileaks have published has shown to be true. How many other publishers have that record? They have not had to make a single retraction.

Firstly, it's not difficult to hold a track record for accuracy when all you're doing is publishing government documents. I could start a blog that publishes copies of Hansard, or the annual budget papers, and I'd have a perfect track record for accuracy too.

Secondly, Assange is not doing any investigative journalism, which is the hardest and most useful journalism of all. Investigative journalists actually have to conduct genuine research, whereas all Assange does is slap stuff on the internet when he receives it.

Thirdly, while Wikileaks' publishing record is sound (for the reasons already explained) they have an absolutely atrocious history of peddling conspiracy theories and fake news. For example...

Wikileaks publicly endorsed a 'Deep State' conspiracy theory about the nature of QANON:

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Another example of Wikileaks fuelling conspiracy theories by posting half truths on Twitter. This is from 2018:

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Oooh, sounds dodgy! Mueller must be a crook, right?

Nope. Firstly, this incident happened 11 years ago. Secondly, it was all entirely legal. Thirdly, it was covered by the media at the time.

Sources described to The Atlantic how a 49-year-old mechanic, Oleg Khintsagov, a Russian citizen, went to the Georgian capital of Tbilisi attempting to sell approximately 100g of weapon-grade HEU, carried in a plastic bag. Fortunately for us, and unfortunately for him, Khintsagov’s buyer was an undercover Georgian agent. Although there were some near-misses, Khintsagov was ultimately arrested, tried, and sentenced.

After Khintsagov was arrested, the Georgian government allowed the seized material to be analyzed by the United States. After this occurred, the Georgians then allowed the United States to give a small sample to the Russians for further analysis, which is what the Wikileaks cable depicted.

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In a nutshell, Mueller had to personally transport a small, 10-gram sample—about the weight of 10 paper clips—of stolen, highly enriched uranium presumed to come from the old Soviet Georgia to a lab in Russia for further study and the nuclear forensics' version of DNA fingerprint analysis.

(Source).

Great article here, exposing the lies and propaganda of Wikileaks: 'Julian Assange’s Hatred of Hillary Clinton Was No Secret. His Advice to Donald Trump Was.'

THE REVELATION THAT WikiLeaks secretly offered help to Donald Trump’s campaign, in a series of private Twitter messages sent to the candidate’s son Donald Trump Jr., gave ammunition to the group’s many detractors and also sparked anger from some longtime supporters of the organization and its founder, Julian Assange.

One of the most high-profile dissenters was journalist Barrett Brown, whose crowdsourced investigations of hacked corporate documents later posted on WikiLeaks led to a prison sentence.

Brown had a visceral reaction to the news, first reported by The Atlantic, that WikiLeaks had been advising the Trump campaign. In a series of tweets and Facebook videos, Brown accused Assange of having compromised “the movement” to expose corporate and government wrongdoing by acting as a covert political operative.

Brown explained that he had defended WikiLeaks for releasing emails hacked from the Democratic National Committee, “because it was an appropriate thing for a transparency org to do.” But, he added, “working with an authoritarian would-be leader to deceive the public is indefensible and disgusting.”

...James Ball, a former WikiLeaks volunteer who has described the difficulty of working for someone who lies so much, was also appalled by one post-election message to Trump Jr., in which WikiLeaks suggested that, as a form of payback, it would be “helpful for your dad to suggest that Australia appoint Assange ambassador to DC.”

If I'd gone to prison for defending Wikileaks, and later discovered that they'd lied about colluding with the Trump campaign while deliberately spreading disinformation, I'd be pretty furious about it too.

The article reveals other lies from Assange and Wikileaks:

* spreading the false story that Clinton had said she wanted to drone Assange
* referring to Fox news pundit Bob Beckel as 'a Hillary Clinton strategist' (Beckel has never worked for Clinton in any capacity)
* shared an image claiming to show Ángel Gonzalo (head of Spanish military police) kissing the Spanish flag at a unionist demonstration (it was not Ángel Gonzalo)
* shared an image of Spanish police grappling with Catalan protesters holding a Catalan independence flag (the flag had been photoshopped into the image)
* promoted anti-Clinton conspiracy theories, including comprehensively debunked nonsense about the death of Vince Foster, allegations of 'Satanic rituals' among Clinton insiders, and Pizzagate

Remember Seth Rich? Assange openly fuelled the conspiracy theory that Rich was his source for the DNC hack, even after he knew it was false:

Julian Assange not only knew that a murdered Democratic National Committee staffer wasn’t his source for thousands of hacked party emails, he was in active contact with his real sources in Russia’s GRU months after Seth Rich’s death.

At the same time he was publicly working to shift blame onto the slain staffer “to obscure the source of the materials he was releasing,” Special Counsel Robert Mueller asserts in his final report on Russia’s role in the 2016 presidential election.

“After the U.S. intelligence community publicly announced its assessment that Russia was behind the hacking operation, Assange continued to deny that the Clinton materials released by WikiLeaks had come from Russian hacking,” the report reads. “According to media reports, Assange told a U.S. congressman that the DNC hack was an ‘inside job,’ and purported to have ‘physical proof’ that Russians did not give materials to Assange.”

As laid out by Mueller, Assange’s involvement in Russia’s election interference began with a June 14, 2016 direct message to WikiLeaks’ Twitter account from “DC Leaks,” one of the false fronts created by the Russians to launder their hacked material.

“You announced your organization was preparing to publish more Hillary's emails,” the message read, according to Mueller’s report. “We are ready to support you. We have some sensitive information too, in particular, her financial documents. Let's do it together. What do you think about publishing our info at the same moment? Thank you.”

A week later, WikiLeaks reached out to a second GRU persona, Guccifer 2.0, and pitched WikiLeaks as the best outlet for the hacked material. On July 14, 2016, GRU officers used a Guccifer 2.0 email address to send WikiLeaks an encrypted one-gigabyte file named “wk dnc link I .txt.gpg.” Assange confirmed receipt, and on July 22 he published 20,000 DNC emails stolen during the GRU’s breach.

By then, it was no secret where the documents came from. The computer security firm CrowdStrike had already published its technical report on the DNC breach, which laid out a trail leading directly to Moscow and the GRU. Analysts at ThreatConnect independently presented evidence that Guccifer 2.0 and DC Leaks were fictional creations of that agency.

But rather than refuse to comment on his sources, as he’s done in other cases, Assange used his platform to deny that he got the material from Russians, and make statements at an alternative theory. On August 9, 2016, WikiLeaks’ Twitter feed announced a $20,000 reward for “information leading to conviction for the murder of DNC staffer Seth Rich.”

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The leak was no 'inside job', and Seth Rich was not the source. Assange knew this from the start, but continued to lie about it.

The myth of Wikileaks being a neutral source that's 'never been wrong' needs to die.

He's not being persecuted? Well, I think I'll defer to the United Nations Working Group on Arbitrary Detention (made up of a panel of impartial senior international judges) who have ruled in his favour twice saying his being forced to seek refuge in the Ecuadorean embassy was arbitrary detention by the UK.

But he wasn't forced to seek refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy. He entered it on his own free will, and refused to emerge (again, on his own free will). If he'd attended court instead of skipping bail, the whole thing would have been over in a matter of weeks.

Oh, and how about the UN Special Rapportuer for Torture who said that exactly:

Firstly, one man's 'persecution' is another man's 'legitimate criticism.' Secondly, Assange has enjoyed overwhelming public support for years, and that support easily eclipses the scale of any pushback he's received in that time. Thirdly, if you irritate governments by publishing their secrets, you can't pretend to be horrified when they come after you.

Melzer was accompanied during his prison visit on 9 May by two medical experts specialised in examining potential victims of torture and other ill-treatment. The team were able to speak with Assange in confidence and to conduct a thorough medical assessment.

...and then this narrative completely fell apart when Russia published a video showing Assange in perfect health, laughing and mixing freely with fellow inmates. Oops! :D

What is he experiencing justice for? Do tell.

Skipping bail to avoid the Swedish rape accusations. That's why he's in prison, remember?
 
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