AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[muon]

Why are some people deliberately inflating prices? It's not ignorance for some users.

Dollar prices are having terrible exchange + tax rates being applied.

Even european prices which include higher rates of VAT are then having terrible exchange rates being applied, in one case applying VAT all over again.

It is easy to predict the price. We have had two Ryzen launches to go off. It is very similar to straight conversion + VAT.

There are no other imaginary taxes and shipping is the same pretty much to anywhere including the USA (not that it even costs much on a per unit basis when transporting in bulk). Where exactly do you think TSMC are based?

 

[Zeed]

Not linking store cause its Escobar competition

 

[chrcoluk]

This is the full lneup:

• Ryzen 9 3950X—16C/32T, 3.5GHz to 4.7GHz, 72MB cache, 105W TDP, $749 (in September)
• Ryzen 9 3900X—12C/24T, 3.8GHz to 4.6GHz, 70MB cache, 105W TDP, $499
• Ryzen 7 3800X—8C/16T, 3.9GHz to 4.5GHz, 36MB cache, 105W TDP, $399
• Ryzen 7 3700X—8C/16T, 3.6GHz to 4.4GHz, 36MB cache, 65W TDP, $329
• Ryzen 5 3600X—6C/12T, 3.8GHz to 4.4GHz, 35MB cache, 95W TDP, $249
• Ryzen 5 3600—6C/12T, 3.6GHz to 4.2GHz, 35MB cache, 65W TDP, $199
• Ryzen 5 3400G—(Zen+) 4C/8T, 3.7GHz to 4.2GHz, 6MB cache, Vega 11 Graphics at 1400MHz, 65W TDP, $149
• Ryzen 3 3200G—(Zen+) 4C/4T, 3.6GHz to 4.0GHz, 6MB cache, Vega 8 Graphics at 1250MHz, 65W TDP, $99

I think it should have been this instead:

• Ryzen 9 3960X—16C/32T, 3.5GHz to 4.7GHz, 72MB cache, 105W TDP, $749 (in September)
• Ryzen 9 3920X—12C/24T, 3.8GHz to 4.6GHz, 70MB cache, 105W TDP, $449
• Ryzen 9 3900X—12C/24T, 3.7GHz to 4.5GHz, 70MB cache, 95W TDP, $379
• Ryzen 9 3900—12C/24T, 3.5GHz to 4.4GHz, 70MB cache, 65W TDP, $319
  
• Ryzen 7 3800X—8C/16T, 3.9GHz to 4.5GHz, 36MB cache, 105W TDP, $299
• Ryzen 7 3700X—8C/16T, 3.6GHz to 4.4GHz, 36MB cache, 65W TDP, $269
• Ryzen 5 3600X—6C/12T, 3.8GHz to 4.4GHz, 35MB cache, 95W TDP, $219
• Ryzen 5 3600—6C/12T, 3.6GHz to 4.2GHz, 35MB cache, 65W TDP, $179
• Ryzen 5 3400G—(Zen+) 4C/8T, 3.7GHz to 4.2GHz, 6MB cache, Vega 11 Graphics at 1400MHz, 65W TDP, $129
• Ryzen 3 3200G—(Zen+) 4C/4T, 3.6GHz to 4.0GHz, 6MB cache, Vega 8 Graphics at 1250MHz, 65W TDP, $99

pretty underwhelming vs the hype for sure.

So the 2600X which many told me was stupid to buy as was less than a year for zen2, cost me £150 and is 150mhz slower than the 3600X, which will be a more expensive chip.
AMD seems have decided they dont want lesser core chips clocked as high as their higher core chips, I have no desire to spend the premium for a 16C chip, but thats what I would have to do if I want 4.7ghz.

On top of that they now have intel pricing on their motherboards as a bonus.

Also still no integrated gpu's on their higher core chips which would be awesome for esxi/proxmox.

 

[Zeed]

pretty underwhelming vs the hype for sure.

So the 2600X which many told me was stupid to buy as was less than a year for zen2, cost me £150 and is 150mhz slower than the 3600X, which will be a more expensive chip.
AMD seems have decided they dont want lesser core chips clocked as high as their higher core chips, I have no desire to spend the premium for a 16C chip, but thats what I would have to do if I want 4.7ghz.

On top of that they now have intel pricing on their motherboards as a bonus.

Also still no integrated gpu's on their higher core chips which would be awesome for esxi/proxmox.

would be good only if there was GPU and NO GPU option...
Why would I pay extra for gpu i will never ever use ??

 

[chrcoluk]

I see it the opposite way zeed, there is no need for 12c or 16c for gaming.

The use cases of those 2 chips I see for virtual servers, and on a virtual server host an igpu is king, then if you want to use a dedicated gpu you can pass it directly to a virtual machine for more awesomeness allowing proper gaming on a virtual machine, having to use a dedicated gpu just to see the esxi/proxmox console is a waste.

I wouldnt be against having 2 sku's tho so the choice is there.

So it looks like the core bump across same model number didnt happen and clock speed increases on top of that are underwhelming, looks like I wont be moving my main rig to zen2 any time soon, as I would probably want at least a 4.6ghz chip and the cost would be way too high for questionable improvements.

 

[Journey]

Not linking store cause its Escobar competition

Well there are UK based sellers with prices up too if you look hard enough, but that is a good price for a 3700X, best UK price is £318.86 presently.

 

[muon]

Not linking store cause its Escobar competition

So who's gonna be the first to suggest that these should be converted one for one to £? Perhaps add some rip off Britain tax, and some other imaginary duties and taxes. Oh and don't forget some shipping from the moon.

 

[StriderX]

Well there are UK based sellers with prices up too if you look hard enough, but that is a good price for a 3700X, best UK price is £318.86 presently.

£319.99-329.99 then.

COME ON OCUK LEAK EM.

3600 - 199.99
3600x - 239.99
3700 - 279.99
3700x - 319.99
3800x - 399.99
3900x - 489.99
3950x - 696.99

muh predictions

 

[nomadd]

£319.99-329.99 then.

COME ON OCUK LEAK EM.

£369.00*

(*Includes Gibbo's new dentures tax. )

 

[Jokester]

That seems reasonable for a $329 RRP price

 

[Potatowithearsontheside]

I think the 2600X and 2700X are intended to be AMD's bottom tier CPUs, and they make damned good value ones at that. Sure, you don't get absolute best performance, but on price-performance they'll be better than ever.

 

[Simon Belmont]

pretty underwhelming vs the hype for sure.

So the 2600X which many told me was stupid to buy as was less than a year for zen2, cost me £150 and is 150mhz slower than the 3600X, which will be a more expensive chip.
AMD seems have decided they dont want lesser core chips clocked as high as their higher core chips, I have no desire to spend the premium for a 16C chip, but thats what I would have to do if I want 4.7ghz.

On top of that they now have intel pricing on their motherboards as a bonus.

Also still no integrated gpu's on their higher core chips which would be awesome for esxi/proxmox.

I do agree that the new AMD 3000 chips do seem over hyped from leaks. Can't wait to see reviews.

 

[Stephanie Peterson]

Jeez... you dont just rate performance based on Mhz lol.

Just because a 3600x is "only" 150 mhz higher than a 2600 doesnt mean your only getting that increase.
For a start the zen2 parts have a much higher IPC, ~15 or so percent.
Plus that 150 Mhz is prob not taking into account PBO and XFR.. or overclocking.

Come on folks, its all out there. the Zen2 chips will be a good upgrade for most folk, ok for a zen+ owner not as big but still a decent one with a good overclock as they will surely reach decent numbers a 2600 could only dream of.

 

[chrcoluk]

Jeez... you dont just rate performance based on Mhz lol.

Just because a 3600x is "only" 150 mhz higher than a 2600 doesnt mean your only getting that increase.
For a start the zen2 parts have a much higher IPC, ~15 or so percent.
Plus that 150 Mhz is prob not taking into account PBO and XFR.. or overclocking.

Come on folks, its all out there. the Zen2 chips will be a good upgrade for most folk, ok for a zen+ owner not as big but still a decent one with a good overclock as they will surely reach decent numbers a 2600 could only dream of.

I didnt which is why I said 4.6ghz as the IPC improvements would make it close to my current 4.8ghz. I am not going to spend £500 on a cpu and another £200 on a board tho to just have comparable per core performance and some logical cores added.

 

[4K8KW10]

I see it the opposite way zeed, there is no need for 12c or 16c for gaming.

The opposite, 12C and 16C are the only options for us, if we want to play.

Entry-level gaming must start with:

• Ryzen 7 3800X—8C/16T, 3.9GHz to 4.5GHz, 36MB cache, 105W TDP, $399
• Ryzen 7 3700X—8C/16T, 3.6GHz to 4.4GHz, 36MB cache, 65W TDP, $329

Serious enthusiasts and gamers must look at:

• Ryzen 9 3900X—12C/24T, 3.8GHz to 4.6GHz, 70MB cache, 105W TDP, $499
• Ryzen 9 3950X—16C/32T, 3.5GHz to 4.7GHz, 72MB cache, 105W TDP, $749 (in September)

Jeez... you dont just rate performance based on Mhz lol.

This is why I demand more cores at less MHz, instead of few cores at uber MHz which AMD and intel push upon us.

 

[Stephanie Peterson]

Well the 8 core seems good value, you should see a real 4.7 or 4.8 ghz out of those (i would expect), the zen2 stuff is going to be a decent increase over a 8600ks IPC as well.

Then you have the new platforms capabilities, i am looking forward to a faster IO system which i think this old 5820 lets me down a bit on.
Plus no intel speed regressions with there vulns to worry about.

 

[Journey]

I didnt which is why I said 4.6ghz as the IPC improvements would make it close to my current 4.8ghz. I am not going to spend £500 on a cpu and another £200 on a board tho to just have comparable per core performance and some logical cores added.

Thought you had an 8600k?

Either way, I agree. There is little point in upgrading if you personally don't feel you will receive any benefit from it. If you only need/want 6c/6t then considering buying the Ryzen 3xxx wasn't really on the cards in the first place, unless you really wanted PCI-E 4.0 for some reason.

 

[Simon Belmont]

I want to see the difference between 3800X vs 8700k? I've been on my 8700k since release. Nearly 2 years

Is it worth upgrading?

 

[Journey]

I want to see the difference between 3800X vs 8700k? I've been on my 8700k since release. Nearly 2 years

Is it worth upgrading?

Only you can decide that, are your needing more cores? Is there something wrong with it, does it not do what you want it to do?

 

[killem]

The opposite, 12C and 16C are the only options for us, if we want to play.

Entry-level gaming must start with:

• Ryzen 7 3800X—8C/16T, 3.9GHz to 4.5GHz, 36MB cache, 105W TDP, $399
• Ryzen 7 3700X—8C/16T, 3.6GHz to 4.4GHz, 36MB cache, 65W TDP, $329

Serious enthusiasts and gamers must look at:

• Ryzen 9 3900X—12C/24T, 3.8GHz to 4.6GHz, 70MB cache, 105W TDP, $499
• Ryzen 9 3950X—16C/32T, 3.5GHz to 4.7GHz, 72MB cache, 105W TDP, $749 (in September)

This is why I demand more cores at less MHz, instead of few cores at uber MHz which AMD and intel push upon us.

Why do you keep posting absolute rubbish. My 5 years old 4770k is enough to run all modern games at 1080p with good frame rates matched with a RX580 or RX2060 thats entry level gaming. You believed the so called leaks leading up to E3 and thought you were getting the bargain of the century and now your salty that AMD are doing what any company would do if they know they have a class leading product and pricing it accordingly.

I can afford the Ryzen 9 3900x and a decent X570 motherboard but depending on reviews may end up with one of the 8 cores and a good X470. Both will be a good upgrade from what I have but I am undecided on what will offer me the best value for my use case over the next 4-5 years that I want it to last.