AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[CuriousTomCat]

Surely this cant be accurate?

AMD X570 motherboards might see the light of day until sometime in 2020, perhaps in the first quarter. AMD is in no hurry to roll out X570 motherboards since X570 isn't a replacement for X470. The chipmaker is positioning X570 as the new flagship chipset that's one tier above X470.

https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/asmedia-pcie-4.0-amd-x570-b550-a520,news-60949.html

 

[Mercutio]

Asmedia aren't making the X570 chipset.

This might relate to the X590?

edit:

"
ASMedia Technology is going full throttle to finish tape-outs for its PCIe 4.0 solutions by the end of year with the hope of winning AMD's heart over again after the company went with its own chipsets for the first X570 motherboards.

A recent DigiTimes report confirms that ASMedia has received orders from AMD to produce the chipmaker's upcoming B550 and A520 chipsets. However, orders for X570 chipsets are pretty much up in the air. If there are no setbacks on ASMedia's PCIe 4.0 tape-outs, the Taiwanese integrated circuit maker is likely to land the orders for the X570 chipset as well."

Considering X570 is NOT asmedia... I dunno wtf tomshardware are on about. So no... your statement is correct. Can't be accurate.

 

[an0nym0us]

Surely this cant be accurate?


https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/asmedia-pcie-4.0-amd-x570-b550-a520,news-60949.html

Yeah, I saw that article too and was thoroughly confused by it. Can't see why AM4 motherboard manufacturers would announce so many X570 boards already, only to want to release them for sale in 2020. Doesn't make sense.

 

[GAC]

ahh toms being hopeless once more, thought peopled had learned the sites not what it once was.

 

[Orange Nexus]

Fingers crossed, ram wise, I can just set XMP/DOCP on mine and call it a day.

Built my 1st gen Ryzen around Sept 2017. My 3200 Cl4 for about a week or two will only run 2933 Cl14. Then came 0902 bios for Asus B350f. DOCP 3200 Cl4 is what i use since. Oc'ing is possible, too, at 3533 C14 so far.

 

[Mercutio]

This runs fine, I can't DOCP it on a X470 board cos it's 4000mhz. Hopefully though....

 

[awaybreaktoday]

Pre-Brexit, it was $1.50/£1.00, so;

3800X $399 ~= £266

+20% VAT = £319

A premium of ~£62.

Thanks brexit...

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

It's too late - @tamzzy has agreed to the below - with the second thin rad at the bottom. No backing out now!..

Or may fit your wife's new brief, Orbi?

Should keep a 3700X+ cool enough...

What case is that??

 

[an0nym0us]

What case is that??

Streacom DA2

 

[Plec]

What case is that??

Yep, the Streacom DA2.

Great, little case with an innovative internal design and minimalist exterior but with surprisingly generous airflow for size- worth a look.

 

[smilingcrow]

Yet now that we finally have progress in the form of more cores per CPU, people are whining and moaning about 12c/24t for $499, that will sit on a motherboard (with socket) that you could have owned for 2 years already, and may last another generation, and then how ever long after before it is retired.

2016 - Mainstream Desktop - 4c
2017 - Mainstream desktop - 8c
2019 - Mainstream desktop - 16c

Bigger gap in the last two, but it proves the point that people are complaining about progress, because they personally have no use for it. I remember when I got my 200MMX, cost a small fortune, but man it was a huge upgrade from my Pentium 120.

One difference is that when CPUs were all single core and the performance of the next generation went up by 100% pretty much all software that was bottlenecked would see large gains including Windows. Whereas now, adding more cores becomes an irrelevance in many cases.
As for 16C being mainstream in 2019, that is bogus as a £750 CPU is not mainstream today regardless of the socket.
Even if it was 64C at £750 it's still irrelevant to the majority of mainstream users as they wouldn't consider paying that much and would rarely benefit from the extra cores.
And comparing today's prices to those of 10 or 20+ years ago is irrelevant as people's budgets and expectations are based on recent data.

I still think £750 for a 16C that fits a mainstream socket is a bargain relatively but only because prices have been so high in recent years.
But they have priced it almost the same as their HEDT 16C which has extra features so it's hard to see it as anything but over priced from that perspective.
Overall though I'm not complaining but the pricing has taken the gloss of this launch unless the performance turns out to be at the higher end of expectations.

 

[Beren]

They are only pricing there due to a complete lack of competition at that level of performance. IMO it is still a mainstream part, but irrespective of the semantics of definition and that software has not properly utilised the power available this trend for far more powerful CPU's is awesome for users.

 

[Cooper]

Pre-Brexit, it was $1.50/£1.00, so;

3800X $399 ~= £266

+20% VAT = £319

A premium of ~£62.

Thanks brexit...

Haha!!!...this person actually believes that when the £ was worth $1.50, prices reflected it.

They didn't....and never have. Whenever the exchange rate was favourable, retailers like OcUK just used it as a means to make free extra profit. $ to £ prices were usually around 10% less than the price in dollars. They never,ever came close to matching the 50% difference.

 

[ricid]

Haha!!!...this person actually believes that when the £ was worth $1.50, prices reflected it.

They didn't....and never have. Whenever the exchange rate was favourable, retailers like OcUK just used it as a means to make free extra profit. $ to £ prices were usually around 10% less than the price in dollars. They never,ever came close to matching the 50% difference.

i7 2600k was $317
Plus VAT would be $380
I paid £246

Actual exchange rate was bobbing around 1.55 to 1.6 at that point, which would translate to £245-£238

 

[Journey]

One difference is that when CPUs were all single core and the performance of the next generation went up by 100% pretty much all software that was bottlenecked would see large gains including Windows. Whereas now, adding more cores becomes an irrelevance in many cases.

But again if you bothered to read the discussion we were having, we were taking increases in CPU technology, just because it is now cores not MHz makes little difference. Not sure if anyone who runs a large DC or server cluster would agree, we are talking macro analysis not a few people on a forum who play games or edit the odd video. I'd say some one like Amazon owns more CPU's that every single individual in the entirety of the UK does, and that is one company.

As for 16C being mainstream in 2019, that is bogus as a £750 CPU is not mainstream today regardless of the socket.

Invalid argument, the mainstream platform is 1151 or AM4, and regardless if you, me, or Bob next door will pay for it, it is on the mainstream platform. Are you going to tell me that the Athlon 1000MHz wasn't mainstream too?

And comparing today's prices to those of 10 or 20+ years ago is irrelevant as people's budgets and expectations are based on recent data.

In your opinion. Apparently some people are coming from X58 systems, and Z68, now looking at the price of those boards on release in 2008 (10 years ago) for X58 $250-400 seemed to be the range, and Z68 about $200-300. I won't adjust the prices for inflation just in case I upset you in some way.

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No point in arguing any further than this, since your view and my view are entirely different on this/these matter(s).

 

[beany_bot]

Lack of any real news or prices since E3 has turned the forum bad again. Arguing over exchange rates and semantics.

 

[Journey]

Lack of any real news or prices since E3 has turned the forum bad again. Arguing over exchange rates and semantics.

Have you missed the last 6 pages, with all the prices?

 

[humbug]

Why would you think this??? 12c on desktop no need for most!!!

This is a mainstream platform..... Not many genuinely need this ...........

Why do you have an 18 core? what do you do where you need that?

 

[andy_mk3]

I brought early incase the amount of people upgrading from ddr3 machines pushes prices up due to supply issues. We know the sweet spot is around 3600mhz cl16 on Ryzen 3 but I bagged some 3600mhz cl17 at a good price.

I did the same, got some 3600-CL16, it's already gone up £30 since buying it.

 

[Ross Thomson]

I brought early incase the amount of people upgrading from ddr3 machines pushes prices up due to supply issues. We know the sweet spot is around 3600mhz cl16 on Ryzen 3 but I bagged some 3600mhz cl17 at a good price.

Where did you bring them from?