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Tempted. Either a 2080 super or if the 2080ti comes down in price.

The issue is once you start buying at a certain price point you set the bar higher and higher.

£450 for the 1080 was high enough.
 
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As much as we all hate on Nvidia for price gouging, AMD are just consistently arriving too late to the party with cards which aren't pushing Nvidia to drop prices at all.
In fairness, that's hardly their fault. The last time AMD arrived first to the party with cards that trounced Nvidia's current lineup at every price point and then went on to beat Nvidia's next lineup too the masses still blindly bought Nvidia. If the consumer is going to intentionally shaft themselves through their own ignorance then there's only so much companies can do to help them, this has always been the ace up the sleeve of Nvidia and Intel, when when they're second best for the money they're still first buy for 99% of people.
 
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In fairness, that's hardly their fault. The last time AMD arrived first to the party with cards that trounced Nvidia's current lineup at every price point and then went on to beat Nvidia's next lineup too the masses still blindly bought Nvidia. If the consumer is going to intentionally shaft themselves through their own ignorance then there's only so much companies can do to help them, this has always been the ace up the sleeve of Nvidia and Intel, when when they're second best for the money they're still first buy for 99% of people.

It's like these people want to be gouged. Imagine the pricing if AMD ever stops making GPUs! :eek:
 
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In fairness, that's hardly their fault. The last time AMD arrived first to the party with cards that trounced Nvidia's current lineup at every price point and then went on to beat Nvidia's next lineup too the masses still blindly bought Nvidia. If the consumer is going to intentionally shaft themselves through their own ignorance then there's only so much companies can do to help them, this has always been the ace up the sleeve of Nvidia and Intel, when when they're second best for the money they're still first buy for 99% of people.

Not everyone

I loved my AMD Radeon HD5870 and it beat the pants off anything Nvidia had apart from the overpriced 300w, egg frying space heating GTX480 - don’t know why people bought the 480

The issue you are trying to get to is perception. AMD beating Nvidia for one generation or half a generation even, is not enough to secure the hearts and minds. Look how long it’s taken for Ryzen to make in roads in perception. It takes years of consistently beating your opponent at the high end to get the masses to fully embrace your product stack
 
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Not everyone

True, I loved my X1600 Pro, HD 4890, HD 6870, R9 380, Vega 8 iGPU and RX 560X. Nice videocards :cool:

I loved my AMD Radeon HD5870 and it beat the pants off anything Nvidia had apart from the overpriced 300w, egg frying space heating GTX480 - don’t know why people bought the 480

I think that if it happens today, the outcome will be quite a bit different because the criticism onto nvidia's heads will be much, much stronger.

The issue you are trying to get to is perception. AMD beating Nvidia for one generation or half a generation even, is not enough to secure the hearts and minds. Look how long it’s taken for Ryzen to make in roads in perception. It takes years of consistently beating your opponent at the high end to get the masses to fully embrace your product stack

Absolutely, AMD needs 1 full generation of commanding lead and it will turn the table.
 
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I've got a 2080. No interest in ray tracing at all xD. Was better priced than 1080 Ti when I bought mine. So went for the newer card.

In a couple of gens time maybe the 4080 Ti etc, if we can turn ray tracing on without it crippling FPS I might try it. If there was any loss in fps or having to downgrade resolution to turn it on I would just never use it.

If AMD launch a faster GPU without ray tracing I would take that.
If Nvidia made a faster GPU without ray tracing I would take that too xD

Does anyone care about this current implementation of ray tracing? I really doubt it. It's just not ready yet.

Yes many people included me care about current implementation of ray tracing. It been ready since November 2018 last year.

I ran all ray tracing games with all options maxed out at 1080p at 60-80+fps just fine. Not so far behind GTA V with all options maxed out 90-120 fps at 1080p on RTX 2080.

Just look what happened to others many new 2019 games released over the last few months that don't used ray tracing like Anno 1800, Total War THREE KINGDOMS, RAGE 2, Draugen, A Plague Tale Innocence, Close To The Sun, Yakuza Kiwami 2, Anthem etc showed 9 months old RTX 2080 Ti struggled to hit 60+fps at 4K resolution with all graphics options maxed out. Look like Nvidia really need to launch RTX 2080 Ti SUPER with extra CUDA, RT and Tensor cores that can hit 60+fps at 4K in all these games included upcoming ray tracing games Wolfenstein: Youngblood, Control, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, Watch Dogs Legion, Cyberpunk 2077 and others.

https://gamegpu.com/rts-/-стратегии/total-war-three-kingdoms-test-gpu-cpu
https://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/rage-2-test-gpu-cpu
https://gamegpu.com/rts-/-стратегии/anno1800-test-gpu-cpu
https://gamegpu.com/rpg/ролевые/draugen-test-gpu-cpu
https://gamegpu.com/rpg/ролевые/a-plague-tale-innocence-test-gpu-cpu
https://gamegpu.com/rpg/ролевые/close-to-the-sun-test-gpu-cpu
https://gamegpu.com/rpg/ролевые/yakuza-kiwami-2-test-gpu-cpu
https://gamegpu.com/mmorpg-/-онлайн-игры/anthem-test-gpu-cpu

What a real shock to see 4 months old Radeon VII was unplayable at 30 fps or less at 4K with Total War THREE KINGDOMS, Anno 1800, Draugen, Close To The Sun and others new games so their massive 16GB HBM2 and HBCC are utter useless very expensive waste paperweight. I found it really very funny LTMatt sold his Radeon VII because he not very happy with horrible performance. Navi wont be any better than Radeon VII. 7 nm? LOL. :o

Nothing really changed 20 years since 3dfx Voodoo and Nvidia Riva TNT that people need to upgrade GPUs to get it playable since every generation.
 
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I think that if it happens today, the outcome will be quite a bit different because the criticism onto nvidia's heads will be much, much stronger.

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